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everybody uh it's exciting to have our
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first webinar of uh the Academic Year
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to thank our co-sponsors for uh joining
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us today and that's um uh UCLA political
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political policy thank you all and now
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let us begin and it's very exciting to
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introduce our moderator Dr Elizabeth
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Matthews a professor of political
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State University San Marcos from 2019 to
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2022 she served as the interim Dean for
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she's the co- uh chair uh uh uh co- uh
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uh uh book series her most recent
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Theory a primary second edition with
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Ronda Callaway Oxford University press
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2020 it's a great pleasure to introd
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ladies and gentlemen Elizabeth
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Matthews thank you so much Steve and
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hello everyone um good morning good
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afternoon or good evening depending on
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uh where you happen to be uh in the
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world right now we very much appreciate
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you joining us um for this uh webinar um
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I want to thank Steve Spiegel for this
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um I want to thank the amazing CED team
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um without them this would not be uh
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happening they do uh so much uh amazing
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work and I appreciate them very much um
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I want to thank our panelists who we
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will hear from in a little bit and I
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want to thank all of you uh for
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attending um just one little
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announcement so um I am in California um
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10:19 there is something that will
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happen here called The Great California
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ShakeOut and it's possible there could
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be some disruption on the computer um
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hopefully I will be muted but if I am
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not um you may actually hear an
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announcement about the it's an
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Earthquake warning um so I just don't
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want anyone to be uh uh triggered by it
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or upset by it if you hear it it is only
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a test um and if something does go wrong
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with my technology I will pop on as
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quickly um as I can um afterwards but
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having said that um I just want to
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acknowledge before we start that um we
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know that there are many conflicts
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people suffering all over the globe and
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we are going to talk about a conflict
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today the uh Russia Ukraine war um in
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which there have been people suffering
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some of you who are on this call some of
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you who are watching on YouTube right
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that you are impacted by this and and
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trauma and so all all I can do at this
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moment is is wish you peace and then uh
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proceed with us having a um discussion
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about how the Ukraine Russia war is
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impacting the Middle East um so that is
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indeed our topic for uh today um we were
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are going to talk about how this
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conflict is uh impacting the people of
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the Middle East we will talk about how
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it is um impacting the governments in
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the Middle East how it is impacting
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Regional Dynamics all right so we have
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an amazing esteemed panel here um to
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help us do this and um as Dr Spiegel
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said um while they are talking if you do
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that you have for our panelists so we
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with Miss yra fili um she is the senior
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Studies as one as the as one of the top
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foreign policy so miss Vil please come
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on um hi thanks so much for having me
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Elizabeth and Seed also it was 2022 not
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2002 I was a little bit younger then no
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worries um anyways thank you guys so
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much for having me on this panel I
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colleagues have to say um I also just
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wanted to begin I don't know if Shira
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joined us yet but I just wanted to say
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wanted to thank Dr gabber for being here
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I feel like the uh the fortitude of the
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Ukrainian people has been a real
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inspiration to the world and I look
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forward to her insights on how this
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conflict impacts the Middle East um as
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you mentioned I have two roles at the
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Pentagon and because of that I have my
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own little disclaimer so because of
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these roles all my comments are off the
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Record and they don't speak for the
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government for the Department of Defense
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and I feel a little bit like somebody
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like a disclaimer at the end of a
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pharmaceutical commercial but I have to
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do it to make the lawyers happy so bear
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with me and now that I said that I'm
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just continuing as myself but as myself
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with maybe a wider apure than most
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people and how the Department of Defense
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and the US government generally sees our
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commitment to Ukraine and how the
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geopolitical map is Shifting nowhere is
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this more evident than in the Middle
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East earlier this year my esteemed
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co-panelist hasham helier wrote that the
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Ukraine war is very much an ideological
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one for Russia which sees this as a
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chance for it to be a great power again
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but it's not an ideological one for the
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United States and as usual this was a
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very astute and accurate observation on
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hashem's part in fact defending a
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nation's internationally recognized
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straightforward conflict America has
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been in in quite some time how do you
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how do you win a war against drugs but
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here in Ukraine there's something we can
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Define as a win in a way we have not
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been able to for a really long time so
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interesting way two Syria is kind of
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this un spoken or maybe tacitly
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invasion of Ukraine first Syria was
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where Russia first tried a lot of its
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horrible military tactics that it then
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that it then used in the Ukraine and
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also because of Russia's dominance in
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Syria a lot of Middle Eastern countries
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have been reticent to either Supply
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lethal arms to Ukraine or to speak out
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really wherly for them um and last but
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not least there's been a real paradigm
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shift in the United States approach to
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the Middle East and I think this this is
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highlight it's a shift that deemphasizes
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kind of all the rage and unfortunately
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military action so we've moved away from
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this thank goodness and instead we
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focused ourselves on Partnerships on
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leveraging interoperability and on
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pursuing allyship with defined
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achievable aims so what am I talking
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about here I'm talking about advancing
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bilateral relationships in a
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multilateral way when it comes to
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Ukraine we see that multilateralism has
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a really profound impact so I personally
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wanted to just kind of examine some
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relationships in the gulf and where we
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see some real
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dynamism um some of it as a result of
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the Russian Ukraine war and some of it
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as a turn to a more pragmatic foreign
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general this definitely this conflict
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has definitely brought Iran and Russia
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closer together Iran supplies Russia
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with drones IT Supplies Russia with with
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tanks and artillery to use in the
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Ukraine and in return Russia gives IR on
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billions of equipment including fighter
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jets Radars radar systems and
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helicopters but let's be frank the
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Iranian regime doesn't want to get too
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into this Ukraine conflict they don't
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want to be seen you know this way and
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after March when Saudi and Iran resumed
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diplomatic relationships Iran's trying
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very hard to focus economic support
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closer to home closer to the gulf closer
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to Saudi especially after domestic
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protests and years of crippling economic
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sanctions so this leads me to Saudi
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Arabia which is kind of only country in
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the world named after a royal family
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which I always find kind of interesting
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um I have to say it's been saudi's time
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to shine this past February Saudi
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officials met zalinsky in the first
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formal Min ministerial visit of an Arab
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Ukraine uh since the War Began and they
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gave 400 million in generators and
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energy support to the Ukraine which was
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extremely important for them to get
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through a very cold winter this aligns
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nicely with a lot of saudi's larger
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larger PR winds recently in the last few
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years in the in terms of like soft
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diplomacy so they've let more visitors
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into the country they've let women Drive
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they're bringing Sports in and it's no
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secret that Saudi really wants to be
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seen as a player when it comes to hard
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more impactful
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diplomacy so surprisingly in May
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zalinsky spoke at the Arab League in
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jeda and his speech directly referenced
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Russian persecution of Crimean tatars
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who Muslim just last month Ukraine Got a
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new Minister of Defense who is drumroll
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a Crimean Tatar Muslim R amov and it's
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been interesting to see how the strategy
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for Ukraine's Alliance building may be
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impacted by having a Muslim minister of
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defense and I think that has yet to be
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seen but maybe something's happening I
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personally find omo super interesting
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he's kind of a success story for the US
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state department because he was part of
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the Future Leaders program he speaks
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five languages including Turkish he's
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famous for being an anti-corruption
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lawmaker he was part of zelinsky's made
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delegation to JEA and he was part of um
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first lady olena's visit to the the the
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UAE so he has like his finger on the
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pulse a little bit of the region at the
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end of zelinsky's May speech to the Arab
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League which included a little bit of
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chiding for some countries not being all
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in and up on the Ukraine front he
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concluded by saying listen to the
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Muslims of Ukraine listen to the creman
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tatars and I encourage you all to
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actually listen to his speech because it
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was quite interesting and even though it
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was likely set in an effort to build a
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rapport with Arab leaders based on
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shared religious values and now feels
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like it was a little bit of
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foreshadowing
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so personally here's the thing how neat
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would it be if the minister if a Muslim
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Minister of Defense of a European
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country in a leading Muslim Nation like
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Saudi Arabia was able to come together
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with Russia to hammer out a real peace
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agreement I personally think saudi's in
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a great position to have become a really
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powerful negotiator globally and by that
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I mean outside of the Middle East and
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they would make very credible peace talk
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mediators because everybody needs them a
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a little bit so no one wants to alienate
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them uh I know we only have a couple
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minutes to make like five minutes to
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make opening statements so obviously
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there's a lot more this isn't a
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comprehensive overview uh I want to end
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on a very personal note to me personally
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one of the most poyant lessons of the
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Ukraine conflict was best Illustrated
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last October when Russia cut water food
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and electricity from
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civilians and launched targeted attacks
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infrastructure the world was able to
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condemn those acts as not just human
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rights violations but as violations on
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the law of War a Human Rights Watch
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report uh said that with these actions
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Russia appears to be seeking unlawfully
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civilians uh and make life unsustainable
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for them last August the Department of
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Defense launched a civilian harm
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medication reduction action plan focused
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on protecting civilian life as an
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important policy goal we as an
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International Community have moved away
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from a war posturing that once callously
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called civilian debts collateral damage
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and the world's response to Ukraine
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shows that we as an International
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Community have the capacity to respect
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civilian life and I think that's a
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really important message for the world
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right now thank you so much um thank you
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for those comments I appreciate it very
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much um all right so we will now turn to
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um Dr yvenia gabber Who I would also
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like to give my personal thanks to um as
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uh herself and her country finds themsel
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in a just a
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Unthinkable and unbearable situation um
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but she is a Ukrainian foreign policy
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expert and non-resident senior fellow at
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the Atlantic Council and Center in
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modern turkey studies at Carlton
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University in Canada previously she
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worked as a foreign policy adviser to
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the prime minister of Ukraine deputy
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the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of
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embassy of ukra Ukraine in anchora her
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research interests cover European and
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particular focus on Ukraine Russia and
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Turkey she has published numerous
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diplomatic and defense acmis across
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gabber um hi everyone and uh thank you
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Elizabeth for this kind introduction
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thank you for having me today I would
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probably want to start with the words of
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uh condolence for everyone who has lost
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their uh relatives their family members
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and friends in the violence which is
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going on in different parts of the world
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now
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unfortunately on U actually on all sides
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of the um conflicts and wars that we're
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going to talk about uh but the life goes
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on so I'll probably in my short remarks
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try to make sense of how actually
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Russia's war in Ukraine correlate with
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what is going on now in the Middle East
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and I'll make three short points and
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then we can discuss it in the Q&A
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discussion part so first I think that um
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the uh Russia's war in Ukraine which did
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not start on the 24th of February but
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actually started in 2014 with the
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illegal occupation and annexation of
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Crimea and now we have a new stage of
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this war which started in February last
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year this is a system transforming war
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or rules setting war in a way because
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when we are talking and from the side of
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Ukrainian experts and diplomats I think
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this point has been made many times that
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this is not only about Ukraine the main
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uh driver behind Russia's aggression
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first in Georgia and then in Ukraine and
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then in many different parts of the
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world is to undermine the rules based
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world order so it's not even about
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democracies versus autocracies which is
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also the case but this is a much broader
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a much WI
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thing this is about whether we have any
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rules of peace and War time or not so in
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way what Russia has done in Ukraine was
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kind of normalization and legitimization
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of violence including of violence
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against civilians so now when we see
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different Terror groups or for example
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when we see Hamas attacking uh civilians
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in Israel and attacking infrastructure
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this triggers a lot the same reactions
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when we see Russian missiles and Russian
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um artillery shelling or Iranian drones
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heating kindergartens and schools in
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Ukraine or uh energy infrastructure or
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agricultural<00:16:43.519> infrastructure<00:16:44.519> food
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agricultural infrastructure food
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facilities um weed storages energy
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infrastructure in Ukraine this is why it
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is really important
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to uh give response to Russia not in a
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way of tradeoffs and appeasement and
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discussion about where we can compromise
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on so that Russia would be happy but
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actually to create a precedent where
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Justice means more than uh deals where
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rules mean more than uh desire to get
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back to business as usual and where we
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not only speak about ceasefire but about
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sustainable and just peace and this is I
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think what many countries in the Middle
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East lack as well now so the second uh
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point I want to make is of course about
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Russia's um information Warfare and
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battle of narratives because this is not
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only a kinetic War but also a war or a
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fight for the hearts and Minds uh across
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the world but specifically in the Middle
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East uh the point that usra has made
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before also referring to a that this is
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ideological war for Russia which is of
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of course uh true this is about this
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desire to be back to big game with big
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Powers great power competition not only
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in Ukraine but in different parts of the
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world which we can see now for example
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from how Russia has um you know uh being
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more active in uh sending Vagner or
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other mercenaries to Africa to Mali uh
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and then destabilizing different parts
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of the world from uh I mean across the
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world but Al in the Middle East uh
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meaning that Russia may not be a direct
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part of this conflict but Russia
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definitely is one of the biggest
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beneficiaries of major crisis conflicts
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and multiple um conflict zones which
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emerge at the same time because then you
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can see narrative then you can say that
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the world is reacting to the war in
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Ukraine in a different way than the war
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has reacted to a war in Syria or to a
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war in uh uh you know uh between
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Palestine and Israel this is also a war
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for attention but also what Russia has
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tried to um to do is to present this war
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as a quest for a multi-polar world order
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this has been one of the most popular I
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think narratives in the Middle East as
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well uh with anti-nato sentiments
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anti-americanism talking about post-
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West World Order talking about M
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multipolarity and how Russia is trying
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to uh approach uh this from its own
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perspective which is definitely not the
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truth because if we have terror
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organizations and as new polls of this
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multipolarity or if you have one of the
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polls like Russia for example or North
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Korea or Iran who are not abiding by the
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rules it's not about unipolar or
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multi-polar world order this is about
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World Disorder and this is also
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important to understand Russia has
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nothing to do with the New multipolar
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World Order Russia is trying to create
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chaos from the Middle East to Africa to
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the Balkans to Ukraine and last Point
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very briefly is of course that if there
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is any opportunity in the crisis which
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is going on uh and in the war of
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aggression which is now happening in
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Ukraine is how Ukraine has reinvented
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the Middle East and how the Middle East
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has probably started to reinvent and
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reopen Ukraine for themselves uh again
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usra mentioned already peace Summit in
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jeda and also um active participation of
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different countries from Turkey in the
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grain deal and then Saudi Arabia in
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peace talk in peace talks in prisoners
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swaps in these very specific issues of
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the Russian side and president zin's
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specifically designed in a way that this
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would not be Western plan or Ukrainian
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plan for ending this war but it would
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engage with the countries in the Middle
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East it would actually bringing board
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countries from Africa from the Middle
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East from different regions to make them
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part of the solution and so that each
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and every country would be able to make
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its own contribution to this just and
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sustainable peace in Ukraine from uh
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Return of the kidnapp children uh to
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energy security food security of course
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um nuclear security energy security and
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we can discuss that in the Q&A part
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later in details so I'll stop here and
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thank you so much um all right we are
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now going to move on to Dr ha helier he
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specializes in geopolitics security
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studies and political economy holding
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more than 20 years of experient
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academic environments in Europe the
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Southeast Asia currently he is a scholar
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at the Carnegie Endowment for
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International Peace serving as senior
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assoc associate fellow at the Royal
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and security and as a Cambridge
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appointed Deputy convenor of the UK
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government's task force on
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radicalization he was also a fellow at
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the foreign and Commonwealth Office of
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the economic and social research Council
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and a fellow at the Brookings
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institution in Washington DC a British
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citizen of Miss English and Arab
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Heritage he has spent his life between
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the Arab world and the West all right
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it's to you Dr helier thank you very
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much uh to Elizabeth to seed um Steve
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and you know everybody who made this
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happen much appreciated and to my
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co-panelists and of course to the
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audience um for taking the time so my my
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talk is about you know Mina and Ukraine
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and you know the quote unquote Mina
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perspective as it is and um uh I I want
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to preface what I'm about to say by an
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anecdote that I think will be useful for
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elaborating upon uh how how much of a
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disconnect there is uh between the
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region um and much of the West so I
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remember being in one Arab Capital
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during the not the initial Invasion but
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the initial flare up um a couple years
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ago between Ukraine and Russia of course
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they'
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invaded Crimea um many years ago but you
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know I'm talking about the the initial
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sorry the the later sort of flare up and
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uh I met with a senior Western Diplomat
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and he was stunned and he'd been in that
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particular Arab capital for several
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years and you know he met with me and he
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he was very upset you know he was in a
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in somewhat of a State of Shock and he
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was very smart he was one of the better
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diplomats that I knew in the capital at
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the time and I said what what are you
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shocked about I said well I thought we
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knew the people here I thought we
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understood the people here I thought
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that we agreed on you know things like
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International order and so on and uh and
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I can't get them to understand why it's
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darely important that they support
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Ukraine and uh he spoke to me because he
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knew I did support Ukraine and that I
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was actually very Pro Ukraine even
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though I've never been to Ukraine I've
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never been to Russia in that regard I
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have no you know skin in the game but
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I'm I'm very Pro Ukraine precisely for
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the reasons that he pointed out R
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International order and things um and uh
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I was very surprised at his
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response because it
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reflected that he simply had no idea
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where he was uh and the historical
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context of where he was and how things
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looked from that part of the world when
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westerners such as myself or him spoke
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about things like like International
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order okay so you know um and I saw this
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again recently I was uh I was in another
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Capital recently and there was a
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discussion going on between um I'll be a
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little bit more transparent about about
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this one between a Jordanian Diplomat
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and the Swedish Diplomat now the swedes
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as you know they have a particular um uh
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a particular set of stances on the
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Middle East that are actually you know
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more unique I would say than a lot of
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their European counterparts particularly
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when it comes to Palestine and the
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Israeli occupation um but they were
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stunned you know at how Sweden had been
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very pro- Ukraine and I thought wow I
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mean the the lack of understanding
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really goes both ways here uh because of
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course on the Swedish side Russia's been
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an enemy for a very long time for very
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good reason right um and from the
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Swedish side they've been quite
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consistent in oppos opposing things like
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Iraq and the Israeli occupation um so
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there is a a disconnect here but you
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know I still still think it's important
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to try to understand how these how this
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region actually looks at the crisis in
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Ukraine because I think it's shared
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among not just people in the Middle East
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but uh among much of the global South
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you know I spent a lot of time in
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Southeast Asia as well and it's very
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common there you know when people hear
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words like international law the
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immediate<00:26:29.559> um<00:26:30.159> response<00:26:30.679> is
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immediate um response is
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really really you know international law
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on invasion of course it's terrible it's
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like yeah but you guys invaded Iraq
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right now of course Ukraine never
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touched Iraq right but Ukraine is placed
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into the category of being in the west
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and that the West um of course not the
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entirety of the West in fact there was
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great opposition within the West to the
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invasion<00:26:53.440> of<00:26:53.600> Iraq<00:26:54.360> but<00:26:54.760> it<00:26:54.919> happened<00:26:55.399> and<00:26:55.520> it
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invasion of Iraq but it happened and it
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was United States the most powerful
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Western power that did so uh
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occupation the you you have to oppose
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the Russian occupation of uh eastern
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Ukraine it's like occupation really you
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know when you consider that you know uh
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one of the most prominent Western allies
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in the Middle East has
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occupied um uh Gaza the West Bank East
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Jerusalem and S sorry and the Goan
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Heights IE Israel since 1967 and where
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resolution after resolution of the
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United Nations is vetoed by different
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Western powers of course most partly
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United States so you know there's uh
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there's this you know um uh complete you
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know bewilderment at how you know we as
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the West are telling you know powers in
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the Middle East you know you ought to
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oppose the Russian occupation of Ukraine
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and yet the same principle doesn't seem
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to apply when it it comes to the
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Palestinians um destruction of Civilian
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infrastructure and you know intern
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International humanitarian law you know
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this is all terrible how can you support
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the Russians doing this in Ukraine um I
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have to say this at the moment becomes
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extremely difficult to to pass off as an
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argument because of course what we see
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is the destruction of Civilian
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infrastructure and uh thousands of
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civilians<00:28:24.720> being<00:28:25.039> killed<00:28:25.519> in<00:28:25.760> Gaza<00:28:26.720> um<00:28:27.720> while
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civilians being killed in Gaza um while
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the United States just vetoed a security
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Council resolution precisely on that so
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I don't want to get into you know the
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the Gaza the palestin Israeli conflict
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right now but these are the discussions
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that constantly come up and it's very
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difficult to make the argument otherwise
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you know I say this again as somebody
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who makes the argument very regularly
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that Ukraine ought to be supported um
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and that the Russians ought to be
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opposed<00:28:52.519> because<00:28:53.240> of<00:28:53.600> these<00:28:54.440> facts<00:28:55.320> um<00:28:56.279> but
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opposed because of these facts um but
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you know it's it's difficult to make the
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argument especially when the framings
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become very difficult to apply because
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again when we're talking about Russia
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we're<00:29:06.120> talking<00:29:06.480> about<00:29:06.880> in<00:29:07.000> the<00:29:07.159> popular
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we're talking about in the popular
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imagination<00:29:08.080> the<00:29:08.440> inheritor<00:29:09.000> of<00:29:09.200> the<00:29:09.320> USSR
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imagination the inheritor of the USSR
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and the USSR is perceived as
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anti-colonial<00:29:13.480> right<00:29:13.720> all<00:29:13.840> of<00:29:14.000> this<00:29:14.080> is
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anti-colonial right all of this is
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nonsense<00:29:14.799> because<00:29:15.039> of<00:29:15.159> course<00:29:15.519> the<00:29:15.640> USSR<00:29:16.159> was
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nonsense because of course the USSR was
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not was not anti-colonial the USSR was
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extremely Colonial but not Colonial in
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the in these places they were not
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Colonial in the Arab world or in the
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global South they were colonial among
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subjects and you know Nations that were
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under USSR were part of the USSR were
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regarding themselves as under occupation
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you know Nations like Lithuania for
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example they make a great deal in their
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public messaging now about support for
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Ukraine saying this is an anti-colonial
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struct struggle this is an
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Anti-Imperialist struggle and of course
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they really take that seriously because
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they feel that they waged that against
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the Russians in the
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USSR um and of course Ukraine was a part
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of the USSR and and actually Ukraine
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helped many of the anti-colonial
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movements while it was part of the USSR
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but somehow it doesn't inherit any of
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that credit um there's also as Yia
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mentioned uh this idea around the
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multi-polar sort of world that we are uh
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are supposedly coming into um why look
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for new enemies why look for new enemies
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out of the new powers um and again I'm
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not sure it's the the best argument to
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use um but I think it's very strongly
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held you know you see countries like
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India which are not part of mina but you
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know much further away they see it that
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way um South Africa they see it that way
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where you know it's not a unipolar world
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it's<00:30:41.240> going<00:30:41.399> to<00:30:41.559> be<00:30:42.120> much<00:30:42.480> more<00:30:43.360> fragmented
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it's going to be much more fragmented
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and desperate so we really ought not to
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be looking for fights with anybody and
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just try to like be okay with with as
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many as possible and another words that
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it's<00:30:52.080> far<00:30:52.320> away<00:30:53.200> again<00:30:53.559> something<00:30:53.919> I<00:30:54.000> don't
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it's far away again something I don't
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think is particularly useful because you
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know
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you as Mina they're asking for powers
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that are very far away to be you know
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evenhanded<00:31:05.240> on<00:31:05.760> things<00:31:06.120> like<00:31:06.320> the
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evenhanded on things like the
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Palestinian<00:31:07.039> Israeli<00:31:07.559> conflict<00:31:08.000> or<00:31:08.120> on<00:31:08.279> Iraq
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Palestinian Israeli conflict or on Iraq
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and so on um so I don't think that
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that's<00:31:11.120> a<00:31:11.240> great<00:31:11.480> argument<00:31:11.960> but<00:31:12.240> you<00:31:12.360> know<00:31:12.600> it
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that's a great argument but you know it
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is far away it is far away as far as
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they're<00:31:15.639> concerned<00:31:16.120> so<00:31:16.600> and<00:31:16.720> then<00:31:16.919> finally
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they're concerned so and then finally
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and this is an important point that I
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hope um we can discuss further as well
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there's<00:31:23.159> a<00:31:23.519> massive<00:31:24.000> disinformation
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there's a massive disinformation
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campaign underway you you know the
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Russians<00:31:28.200> put<00:31:28.639> a<00:31:28.919> lot<00:31:29.360> invest<00:31:29.840> of<00:31:30.120> investment
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Russians put a lot invest of investment
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into pumping thisinformation out there
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um and they take advantage on a regular
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basis<00:31:36.480> through<00:31:36.679> channels<00:31:37.120> like<00:31:37.240> RT<00:31:37.679> and
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basis through channels like RT and
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things like that like you know the
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amount of stuff that's been said about
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Ukraine<00:31:42.320> but<00:31:42.519> also<00:31:42.760> about<00:31:42.960> other<00:31:43.600> uh<00:31:43.799> other
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Ukraine but also about other uh other
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conflicts like Syria where of course
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they<00:31:46.240> backed<00:31:46.519> the<00:31:46.639> Bashar<00:31:47.039> alassad<00:31:47.600> regime<00:31:48.519> is
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they backed the Bashar alassad regime is
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absolutely<00:31:49.760> incredible<00:31:50.760> um<00:31:51.000> and<00:31:51.200> they're
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absolutely incredible um and they're
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very opportunistic um and of course
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right now they have lots of material
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because the uh the amount of suffering
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that's<00:31:59.000> going<00:31:59.279> on<00:32:00.120> within<00:32:00.559> the<00:32:01.360> uh<00:32:01.519> the
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that's going on within the uh the
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occupied<00:32:02.120> territory<00:32:02.519> of<00:32:02.679> Gaza<00:32:03.120> they're<00:32:03.320> using
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occupied territory of Gaza they're using
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that to the hilt you know I mean that's
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um<00:32:06.960> uh<00:32:07.120> but<00:32:07.240> they<00:32:07.360> have<00:32:07.480> great<00:32:07.679> ammunition
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um uh but they have great ammunition
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there because they don't need to make
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stuff up about how terrible it is um so
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again I'm not saying we have to agree
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with all of this stuff uh as I said from
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the outset I'm actually very Pro Ukraine
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because as ter as terrible as I think
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the international order currently is I
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think better than trying to tear it down
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we to try to build it up because the
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tearing<00:32:29.480> of<00:32:29.600> it<00:32:29.919> down<00:32:30.720> is<00:32:30.919> just<00:32:31.120> going<00:32:31.279> to<00:32:31.720> lead
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tearing of it down is just going to lead
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to yet more and more tragedy um but we
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have to take seriously how people really
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genuinely<00:32:41.000> uh<00:32:41.159> and<00:32:41.360> very<00:32:41.600> often<00:32:42.159> legitimately
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genuinely uh and very often legitimately
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think about the framings that we use and
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how distant our framings sitting in
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Washington or in London can seem to
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people that are on the ground um I'm I'm
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very<00:32:56.639> know<00:32:57.039> enthusiastic<00:32:57.799> about<00:32:58.120> powers<00:32:58.600> like
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very know enthusiastic about powers like
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Lithuania<00:32:59.639> I<00:32:59.720> mean<00:32:59.880> they're<00:33:00.080> small<00:33:00.399> countries
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Lithuania I mean they're small countries
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but their messages are really powerful
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you know um talking about anti-
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anti-imperialism<00:33:07.559> anti-colonialism<00:33:08.720> um<00:33:09.720> and
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anti-imperialism anti-colonialism um and
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being very very clear about all of these
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things saying look we we did that we did
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that um so we can sympathize with your
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own struggles in that regard um I don't
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think there's anything else that I
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should cover right now but uh thank you
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again and I look forward to the
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questions
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great thank you so much Dr helier and
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thank you to all three of our uh
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panelists and you can all come on with
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me at this point and um turn on your
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camera so uh we can have a bit of a
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discussion about things um we do have a
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fourth panelist who uh may not be able
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to make it so Dr Shir Efron um is is
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valiantly trying to get to a place where
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she can uh access a computer um and get
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onto onto this call call but I'm not
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sure that's going to uh be possible but
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if she does get here we will uh turn to
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her and give her her time for her
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comments um but if not we will uh miss
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her and and move on um so one thing I
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just wanted to see if we could expand on
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a little because there's been quite a
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bit of conversation about sort of
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alliances in the system I'm I'm curious
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about the the balance of power in the
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region and the balance of power on on
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two sides right within the region with
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the sort of increase of the Russia Iran
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Alliance and Saudi Arabia right as you
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just said asking acting as a peace
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broker is there any sort of shift
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amongst Regional actors in the balance
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of power and then the second side of
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this is about the US and Russia right
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yenia um talked a lot about you know
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Russia's goals here and what it's trying
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to do in terms of changing the rules of
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the system and we have seen Russia in
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you know we'll call it recent but you
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know at least the last you you know 10
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15 years having a renewed more
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opportunistic activism in the region
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right their involvement in Libya their
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intervention in Syria their arm sales
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and so do you see a changing dynamic
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between the United States and Russia in
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the region in terms of a balance of
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power and I will let anybody who wants
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to respond to that
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respond
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yes Dr
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helier well I'll take a stab at it
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um so I think
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for as much as we might say that there's
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some sort of realignment going on um I
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don't think it's really um about Russia
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per se if that makes sense uh I think
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that those powers that were pro- Russia
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or aligned with Russia previously they
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continue to be um I don't think that's
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really changing um and they're not as
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common well they're not as strong as
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powers that are not um I think what you
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do see are other alignments frankly that
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are more important which are within the
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region in terms of developing new
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alliances of course all of these things
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are presently um being thrown up in the
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air you know we were talking about Saudi
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Israeli
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normalization um which is in cold freeze
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now because of the Israeli bombardment
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of Gaza which is incredibly unpopular
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across the region um and I you know it's
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I I think that those realignments are
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going to be put into deep freeze for a
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while um when it comes to uh any other
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broader<00:36:32.200> geopolitical<00:36:33.359> realignments<00:36:34.359> um
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broader geopolitical realignments um
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again very little to do with Russia
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everything to do with with what is going
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on right now in uh uh in Israel
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Palestine<00:36:42.920> which<00:36:43.240> I<00:36:43.480> suspect<00:36:44.040> you<00:36:44.200> could<00:36:44.400> have
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Palestine which I suspect you could have
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another<00:36:44.839> session
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another session
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on I just wanted to chime in also that's
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okay<00:36:51.119> um<00:36:51.520> and<00:36:51.680> say<00:36:52.079> I<00:36:52.200> think<00:36:52.800> um<00:36:52.960> I<00:36:53.079> agree<00:36:53.359> with
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okay um and say I think um I agree with
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everything Hashem said to be honest and
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I think two weeks ago we both may have
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answered that question a little bit
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differently<00:37:00.040> but<00:37:00.400> the<00:37:00.560> last<00:37:00.760> 10<00:37:01.000> days<00:37:01.280> have
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differently but the last 10 days have
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really thrown you know where alliances
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are aren't or how people are interacting
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with each other um I'm happy that you
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touched<00:37:09.599> upon<00:37:10.160> just<00:37:10.400> you<00:37:10.520> know<00:37:10.640> what<00:37:10.760> Russia's
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touched upon just you know what Russia's
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doing<00:37:11.359> in<00:37:11.520> Libya<00:37:11.920> what<00:37:12.040> Russia's<00:37:12.359> doing<00:37:12.560> in
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doing in Libya what Russia's doing in
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other countries it's definitely I think
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it's<00:37:15.800> always<00:37:16.119> had<00:37:16.280> an<00:37:16.440> aggressive<00:37:16.920> Outlook<00:37:17.560> in
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it's always had an aggressive Outlook in
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their foreign policy in the Middle East
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and so I don't think this is a change of
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course for them I think if there's a
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change<00:37:24.040> of<00:37:24.240> course<00:37:24.680> anywhere<00:37:25.040> it's<00:37:25.319> probably
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change of course anywhere it's probably
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China getting much more friendly with
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most governments AC oh he's a rolling
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his eyes but I think has maybe agrees a
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little bit but he um yeah I think China
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has become much more aggressive in their
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approach<00:37:37.359> to<00:37:37.520> the<00:37:37.599> Middle<00:37:37.839> East<00:37:38.119> and<00:37:38.280> that's
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approach to the Middle East and that's
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problematic<00:37:39.200> for<00:37:39.359> the<00:37:39.440> United<00:37:39.720> States<00:37:40.040> at
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problematic for the United States at
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least yeah maybe just a couple of words
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to be up on what usra mentioned also
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with China and of course here we can
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mention the China brokered so Iran deal
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and generally China's presence not only
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as uh a power with let's say soft power
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talking<00:37:59.560> about<00:37:59.880> infrastructural<00:38:00.800> projects
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talking about infrastructural projects
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but also basically as a security
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provider or facilitator mediator so this
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is the niche which is now being uh
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filled by Chinese influence and which we
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have not seen before and actually when
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China came up with a so-called peace
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plan for Russia Ukraine this was was
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also I think for many kind of a
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surprised<00:38:21.079> that<00:38:21.640> China<00:38:22.040> is<00:38:22.240> trying<00:38:22.560> to<00:38:22.839> play
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surprised that China is trying to play
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this kind of unconditional role in um
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unusual<00:38:28.319> um<00:38:28.960> regions<00:38:29.640> in<00:38:29.960> unusual<00:38:30.560> settings
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unusual um regions in unusual settings
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for China but I think important uh
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another important uh thing to mention
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here is how Russia is actually losing
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influence in the region and this is I
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believe<00:38:41.760> one<00:38:41.880> of<00:38:42.079> the<00:38:42.280> reasons<00:38:42.880> why<00:38:43.119> both<00:38:43.400> Iran
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believe one of the reasons why both Iran
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and China can be more influential in
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certain areas which is another uh
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problem and another uh concern for for
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the West uh when you look at the
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Dynamics in Russian Iranian relations or
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even in Russian chinesee relations you
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can see how this let's say second
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largest army second largest military
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power which Russia
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self-proclaimed uh itself to be before
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is now trying to get some weapons some
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Military Support some financial support
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from its new allies across the world and
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why this matters because basically North
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Korea is very far away from the Middle
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East but this is important because when
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you see Russia which is kind of this
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great power competition etc etc great
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power going to North Korea to ask for
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some missiles or tanks or whatever they
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take there this also tells you a lot
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about the nature of power in Russia and
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about the economic situation Russia is
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now in and obviously uh in the Middle
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East uh Russia is trying to portray
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itself as a powerful State uh as uh Dr
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helier mentioned of course uh as a
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continuation<00:39:56.040> of<00:39:56.200> the
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continuation of the
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uh USSR and then uh Power which is
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dealing with all these uh
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anti-imperialism<00:40:04.720> anti<00:40:05.240> Colonial<00:40:05.720> movements
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anti-imperialism anti Colonial movements
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which is not so this shows us how all
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these Illusions turned out to be shallow
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Russia is not a great power Russia is
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not USSR these were 15 different
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republics Russia is a colonial state
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colonizing uh countries both uh in
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Africa in the Middle East and of course
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in its close uh vicinity which is kind
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of the soft tbelly post Soviet Union era
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and Russia is not a social or socialist
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State because this is also something I
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hear a lot about how all these leftist
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movements talk about cap capitalism in
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the west and then Russia being on the
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other side and then when you look at
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what oligarchs Russian oligarchs are
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doing in the west and how Russian people
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are actually suffering from poverty in
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Russia this also tells you about how
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fake uh all these Russian narratives
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have been so far and of course it has
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implications for alliances in the Middle
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East and on how Russia is now being
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perceived in the Middle
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East thank you for that do you all see
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that this this is impacting stability in
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the Middle East right is there going to
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be you know any kind of you know shifts
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or any instability that this will cause
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and if anyone is actually doing anything
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to try to address this potential outcome
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in the region yeah Dr
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helier uh do you mean in terms of
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Russian moves um or yeah okay well again
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I I don't think it's as uh pertinent
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anymore<00:41:41.359> you<00:41:41.480> know<00:41:41.680> like<00:41:41.920> you<00:41:42.400> pointed<00:41:42.720> out
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anymore you know like you pointed out
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had this discussion been going on a
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couple weeks ago uh perhaps we would be
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answering it quite differently um Russia
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is really on the sidelines I mean look
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there's<00:41:51.880> a<00:41:52.040> massive<00:41:52.400> crisis<00:41:52.960> at<00:41:53.079> the<00:41:53.240> moment
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there's a massive crisis at the moment
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where's
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Russia where's Russia you know big
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superpower woohoo you know but uh yeah
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you're you're not remotely relevant
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except that you're sort of like cheering
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things on uh I mean frankly they they
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put forward a good resolution at the UN
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for humanitarian access but they were
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vetoed<00:42:11.520> by<00:42:11.640> the<00:42:11.800> US<00:42:12.800> um<00:42:13.560> but<00:42:13.720> there's<00:42:13.960> nothing
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vetoed by the US um but there's nothing
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there's nothing else going on right it's
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not you know nobody's calling for Russia
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to sort of you know host a big massive
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conference<00:42:21.760> uh<00:42:21.880> to<00:42:22.040> bring<00:42:22.319> peace<00:42:22.559> and
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conference uh to bring peace and
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stability<00:42:23.280> and
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stability and
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security<00:42:25.240> um<00:42:25.720> anywhere
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security um anywhere
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right um or that there's no there's no
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real<00:42:30.359> involvement<00:42:30.800> here<00:42:30.960> I<00:42:31.040> mean<00:42:31.200> people<00:42:31.400> are
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real involvement here I mean people are
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people<00:42:31.920> are<00:42:32.079> moaning<00:42:32.480> and<00:42:32.640> winching<00:42:33.160> about
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people are moaning and winching about
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the<00:42:33.599> United<00:42:33.960> States<00:42:34.520> but<00:42:34.720> they<00:42:34.839> also<00:42:35.000> want
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the United States but they also want
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them<00:42:35.319> to<00:42:35.520> come<00:42:36.240> right<00:42:36.520> so<00:42:37.280> there's<00:42:37.720> the<00:42:38.040> that's
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them to come right so there's the that's
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very<00:42:38.400> telling<00:42:38.760> to<00:42:38.920> me<00:42:39.280> you<00:42:39.400> know<00:42:39.880> as<00:42:40.119> critical
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very telling to me you know as critical
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by the way as I am about the American
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role<00:42:42.280> but<00:42:42.680> nothing's<00:42:43.079> happening<00:42:43.440> when<00:42:43.559> it
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role but nothing's happening when it
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comes<00:42:43.920> to<00:42:44.280> Russia<00:42:45.280> right<00:42:45.520> nobody's
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comes to Russia right nobody's
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interested<00:42:46.359> in<00:42:46.559> Russia<00:42:46.880> or<00:42:47.040> for<00:42:47.280> that<00:42:47.480> matter
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interested in Russia or for that matter
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the
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Chinese<00:42:49.559> okay<00:42:50.400> um<00:42:50.640> I<00:42:50.720> think<00:42:50.880> the<00:42:51.000> Chinese<00:42:51.400> have
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Chinese okay um I think the Chinese have
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a lot more of a long game when it comes
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to<00:42:55.200> the<00:42:55.359> region<00:42:55.760> anyway
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to the region anyway
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um<00:42:57.040> so<00:42:57.240> they<00:42:57.359> could<00:42:57.559> actually<00:42:57.839> throw<00:42:58.079> their
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um so they could actually throw their
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weight<00:42:58.520> around<00:42:59.000> I<00:42:59.119> think<00:42:59.400> significantly<00:43:00.160> more
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weight around I think significantly more
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but still you know um I don't see that
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there's<00:43:06.160> you<00:43:06.240> know<00:43:06.520> Russia<00:43:06.960> in<00:43:07.079> my<00:43:07.240> opinion
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there's you know Russia in my opinion
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Russia<00:43:07.960> comes<00:43:08.200> in<00:43:08.440> when<00:43:08.599> they<00:43:08.680> see<00:43:08.920> a<00:43:09.160> vacuum
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Russia comes in when they see a vacuum
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that<00:43:09.880> they<00:43:10.000> can<00:43:10.200> fill<00:43:10.920> with<00:43:11.599> relatively
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that they can fill with relatively
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little<00:43:13.000> difficulty<00:43:13.319> so<00:43:13.480> they<00:43:13.640> did<00:43:13.839> that<00:43:13.960> in
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little difficulty so they did that in
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Syria<00:43:14.880> and<00:43:15.040> they<00:43:15.200> did<00:43:15.359> that<00:43:15.480> to<00:43:15.680> great<00:43:15.960> effect
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Syria and they did that to great effect
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in Syria they did that to a limited
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extent<00:43:19.240> in<00:43:19.480> Libya<00:43:20.480> okay<00:43:21.119> um<00:43:21.760> in<00:43:22.480> Egypt<00:43:23.480> not
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extent in Libya okay um in Egypt not
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really um uh pictures and you know I
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mean frankly like you know when it comes
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to Egypt I felt that you know the the
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the the flation as it were with Russia
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all had everything to do with the United
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States and and very little to do with
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Russia as Russia um the the the the
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military hardware of the country is far
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more<00:43:48.200> American<00:43:49.079> than<00:43:49.240> it<00:43:49.359> is<00:43:49.640> Russian<00:43:50.280> you
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more American than it is Russian you
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know I mean there's there's not a lot
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going<00:43:53.400> on<00:43:53.800> here<00:43:54.160> in<00:43:54.319> my<00:43:54.520> opinion<00:43:55.040> again<00:43:55.319> it's<00:43:56.440> I
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going on here in my opinion again it's I
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don't<00:43:56.640> think<00:43:56.800> anyone's<00:43:57.079> looking<00:43:57.280> to<00:43:57.440> make<00:43:57.559> a
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don't think anyone's looking to make a
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make<00:43:58.119> an<00:43:58.280> enemy<00:43:58.640> out<00:43:58.760> of<00:43:58.920> Russia<00:43:59.359> nobody's
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make an enemy out of Russia nobody's
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looking<00:44:00.040> to<00:44:00.319> fight<00:44:00.559> with<00:44:00.760> Russia<00:44:01.200> nobody's
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looking to fight with Russia nobody's
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looking<00:44:01.880> to<00:44:02.040> tick<00:44:02.280> them<00:44:02.599> off<00:44:03.599> okay<00:44:04.520> um<00:44:04.880> but<00:44:05.040> I
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looking to tick them off okay um but I
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don't<00:44:05.319> think<00:44:05.680> that<00:44:06.680> I<00:44:07.000> I<00:44:07.079> don't<00:44:07.280> think<00:44:07.480> that
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don't think that I I don't think that
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there's<00:44:07.880> any<00:44:08.160> quote<00:44:08.400> unquote<00:44:08.960> instability
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there's any quote unquote instability
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that<00:44:09.920> Aris<00:44:10.359> because<00:44:10.559> I<00:44:10.680> just<00:44:10.800> don't<00:44:11.000> think<00:44:11.160> the
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that Aris because I just don't think the
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Russians<00:44:11.640> are<00:44:11.960> that<00:44:12.280> significant<00:44:13.079> in<00:44:13.240> that
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Russians are that significant in that
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regard<00:44:14.000> directly<00:44:14.359> speaking<00:44:14.760> now<00:44:14.920> of<00:44:15.040> course
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regard directly speaking now of course
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when it comes to conflicts that are
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elsewhere<00:44:17.000> so<00:44:17.440> you<00:44:17.559> know<00:44:17.720> the<00:44:17.839> war<00:44:18.040> with
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elsewhere so you know the war with
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Ukraine it had a massive impact
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particular in North Africa but not
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because the Russians were coming into
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North Africa but because of wheat
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because of Food Supplies because of the
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overall impact of the Ukraine Russia war
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on uh on global economy and food and you
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know um that that that sort of thing
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which you know of course is incredibly
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tremendous<00:44:41.520> in<00:44:41.640> terms<00:44:41.920> of<00:44:42.160> impact<00:44:43.079> but<00:44:43.240> it's
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tremendous in terms of impact but it's
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not direct right it's the result of and
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consequences<00:44:47.079> of<00:44:47.319> something<00:44:47.640> more<00:44:47.920> direct
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consequences of something more direct
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somewhere
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else<00:44:52.599> thank<00:44:52.839> you<00:44:53.359> and<00:44:53.839> yeah<00:44:54.200> Gena<00:44:55.160> yeah
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else thank you and yeah Gena yeah
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probably just just a couple of words to
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add to what Dr haer said I think that
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when<00:45:00.319> you<00:45:00.599> mention<00:45:01.480> Russia<00:45:01.960> you<00:45:02.119> cannot
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when you mention Russia you cannot
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mention<00:45:02.839> stabilization<00:45:03.839> in<00:45:04.240> in<00:45:04.359> the<00:45:04.520> same
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mention stabilization in in the same
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sentence<00:45:05.280> it's<00:45:05.480> rather<00:45:05.800> quite<00:45:06.119> the<00:45:06.280> opposite
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sentence it's rather quite the opposite
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about
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destabilization<00:45:08.640> uh<00:45:08.800> because<00:45:09.079> whereas<00:45:09.720> on
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destabilization uh because whereas on
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the one hand uh Russia is not capable of
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having any major campaigns anymore in
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any of the regions just look at caraba
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what happened there and how Armenia did
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not get any help from Russia for example
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and it was it was all to aeran Etc but
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Russia can destabilize and this is what
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Russia exactly is trying to do to create
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many crisis if not major conflict than
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many multiple crisis at the same time
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and then capitalize on its results and
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then weaponize be it refugees be it
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humanitarian crisis be it wheat and
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grain and bread and everything Global
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prices<00:45:51.040> inflation<00:45:51.760> it's<00:45:51.960> being
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prices inflation it's being
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instrumentalized<00:45:53.359> and<00:45:53.559> weaponized<00:45:54.559> so<00:45:54.800> in<00:45:54.920> a
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instrumentalized and weaponized so in a
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way<00:45:55.440> that's<00:45:55.599> why<00:45:56.000> mentioned<00:45:56.359> from<00:45:56.480> the<00:45:56.640> very
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way that's why mentioned from the very
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beginning<00:45:57.240> that<00:45:57.400> Russia<00:45:57.720> is<00:45:57.839> one<00:45:58.000> of<00:45:58.119> the
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beginning that Russia is one of the
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major<00:45:58.720> beneficiaries<00:45:59.599> from<00:45:59.839> what<00:45:59.960> is<00:46:00.160> going
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major beneficiaries from what is going
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on now from Western Africa to uh Israeli
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Palestinian Hamas issues because it's
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not about stabilization it's about
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destabilization and if you have
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destabilization<00:46:13.040> you<00:46:13.200> have<00:46:13.800> polarization
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destabilization you have polarization
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you can play these as bargaining chips
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you can use these for again war of
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narratives<00:46:20.720> you<00:46:20.880> can<00:46:21.200> show<00:46:21.680> how<00:46:21.960> different
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narratives you can show how different
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countries<00:46:22.960> depending<00:46:23.440> on<00:46:23.599> the<00:46:23.800> context<00:46:24.280> are
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countries depending on the context are
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bad and now for for example what Russia
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is trying to do if you remember uh Putin
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portrayed<00:46:30.440> president<00:46:31.200> zilinski<00:46:32.200> who<00:46:32.359> is<00:46:32.559> Jew
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portrayed president zilinski who is Jew
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himself from the very beginning has been
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very anti-semite and then being all
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anti-israeli Nazis F fascists etc etc
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and Ukrainian side spent hours and hours
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explaining<00:46:45.960> how<00:46:46.160> we<00:46:46.319> are<00:46:46.520> not<00:46:46.960> anti-israel
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explaining how we are not anti-israel
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and now what Russia is trying to do is
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to<00:46:49.920> show<00:46:50.240> how<00:46:50.440> Ukraine<00:46:50.920> is<00:46:51.119> anti-<00:46:51.599> Palestinian
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to show how Ukraine is anti- Palestinian
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anti-arab<00:46:53.280> etc<00:46:53.760> etc<00:46:54.640> because<00:46:54.960> we<00:46:55.079> said<00:46:55.400> that
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anti-arab etc etc because we said that
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we feel sorry for everyone who L their
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lives<00:46:58.720> in<00:46:58.880> the<00:46:59.000> terror<00:46:59.319> act<00:46:59.559> which<00:46:59.760> happened
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lives in the terror act which happened
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in Israel so this is how it works and
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hoping<00:47:04.240> that<00:47:04.440> Russia<00:47:04.720> would<00:47:04.920> play<00:47:05.119> a
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hoping that Russia would play a
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stabilizing<00:47:05.880> role<00:47:06.119> is<00:47:06.280> something<00:47:06.559> like
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stabilizing role is something like
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calling an arsonist and then asking to
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put an end to a fire in a way so this is
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a part of the problem and not a part of
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the solution and of course for other
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actors it's getting quite difficult
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because you have elections in the US and
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then you have many different crisis at
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the same time to deal with you have the
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European Union which still has to come
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up with Solutions for many internal
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problems etc etc so this is in a way
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showing<00:47:30.400> the<00:47:30.599> crisis<00:47:31.160> of<00:47:31.720> international
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showing the crisis of international
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organizations<00:47:33.400> and<00:47:33.559> the<00:47:33.760> current<00:47:34.440> world
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organizations and the current world
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order uh that we lack these uh efforts
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diplomatic efforts to put an end to the
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violence<00:47:41.119> which<00:47:41.240> is<00:47:41.359> now<00:47:41.559> happening<00:47:42.520> and<00:47:42.720> that
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violence which is now happening and that
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is where I actually agree with uh with
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my co-panelist that it's probably easier
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to fix what we have now in terms of the
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United Nations reform and fixing the
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world order rather than just starting
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from scratch saying that there are no
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rules anymore we go back to jungles and
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then everyone is doing whatever he or
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she<00:48:01.760> wants<00:48:02.440> but<00:48:02.680> but<00:48:02.800> it's<00:48:03.079> tough<00:48:03.680> and<00:48:03.839> it's
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she wants but but it's tough and it's
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really tough because we have to deal
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with so many different problems and wars
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and conflicts at the same
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time um thank you for that I just want
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to throw um because hasham had mentioned
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Egypt and um when I think of Egypt and
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Russia in this case I actually think
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it's been interesting to see Egypt has
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like<00:48:23.559> Diversified<00:48:24.160> its<00:48:24.280> arm<00:48:24.599> Sal<00:48:24.960> so<00:48:25.079> they're
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like Diversified its arm Sal so they're
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not so I think the US is more like the
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Air Force supplier but Russia is
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definitely<00:48:29.880> more<00:48:30.800> an<00:48:31.000> on<00:48:31.240> the<00:48:31.400> ground<00:48:31.920> arm
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definitely more an on the ground arm
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supplier<00:48:32.720> for<00:48:32.920> them<00:48:33.480> um<00:48:34.359> but<00:48:34.599> also<00:48:34.839> I<00:48:34.960> think
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supplier for them um but also I think
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the bigger issue in Egypt is that
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Ukraine<00:48:37.000> was<00:48:37.200> such<00:48:37.359> a<00:48:37.559> provider<00:48:37.920> of<00:48:38.079> wheat<00:48:38.359> it
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Ukraine was such a provider of wheat it
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was<00:48:38.599> the<00:48:38.720> Bread<00:48:38.960> Basket<00:48:39.319> for<00:48:39.440> a<00:48:39.520> lot<00:48:39.640> of<00:48:39.720> Middle
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was the Bread Basket for a lot of Middle
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Eastern countries and there's some real
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fears<00:48:42.680> about<00:48:43.000> you<00:48:43.119> know<00:48:43.240> the<00:48:43.359> rising<00:48:43.680> cost<00:48:43.920> of
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fears about you know the rising cost of
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bread and like bread riots and like you
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know discontent from this from this food
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security level and I know we didn't get
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into it but I think that's just an
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important point to
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raise yeah I app appreciate you bringing
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that up because the issues about food
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insecurity and inflation and energy and
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all of that is is also uh critical to
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this so perhaps that'll come up in some
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of the questions but I want to turn to
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some of the questions that our uh
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viewers have uh sent in um and again if
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you are watching and want to submit a
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question to our panelist please put it
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down in the uh Q&A box all right so our
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first question is from Don LoveIt who is
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from Canada is the United States
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presently trying to move Iran away away
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from Russia given the prisoner exchange
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also it's my understanding that Oman is
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mediating a relationship between Saudi
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and Iran to continue the separation from
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Russia and there's an actual add-on here
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in a second so hold on I'm scrolling
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down to find it um and Oman is playing a
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role in is Oman playing a role in the
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relationship between Israel and Saudi
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Arabia that was a lot yes I will take
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the first half of it which would um I
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think I can pretty confidently say that
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that the United States cares a lot about
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bringing Americans home and I think that
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was the most important part of that
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prisoner<00:50:05.599> exchange<00:50:05.920> for<00:50:06.359> us<00:50:07.680> um<00:50:08.680> and<00:50:09.160> I<00:50:09.280> think
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prisoner exchange for us um and I think
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um we also care deeply about having a
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how can I put this it's better for us if
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maybe Iran is distanced from Russia and
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it's better for us if most of the world
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is distanced from Russia so that's not
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specific to
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Iran
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yeah Dr helier so the on the so I won't
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go into the first part of the question
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because I think yra speaks on behalf of
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the American government so that's better
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for her to deal with um whereas when it
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comes to the second part um so
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Oman
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um uh Oman was involved in uh having you
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know a a mediatory role between the
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Saudis<00:50:53.880> and<00:50:54.040> the<00:50:54.440> Iranians<00:50:55.680> um<00:50:56.040> as<00:50:56.200> was<00:50:56.400> Iraq
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Saudis and the Iranians um as was Iraq
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by the way um so I think that both of
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those countries were
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involved um I have to say you know again
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I I really don't want to keep on doing
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this<00:51:06.559> but<00:51:06.799> the<00:51:07.000> last<00:51:07.240> 10<00:51:07.559> days<00:51:08.319> throw<00:51:08.680> all<00:51:08.799> of
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this but the last 10 days throw all of
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this up in the air okay because of
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Iran's<00:51:14.319> connections<00:51:15.440> to<00:51:16.440> Hamas<00:51:17.240> and<00:51:18.000> hisbah
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Iran's connections to Hamas and hisbah
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okay so uh and you know it's very
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difficult to talk about this without
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getting into the those details so you
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know I'm not I'm not going to try to
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derail the conversation but if we're
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talking
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about the uh the development of uh
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relations between uh I think he asked
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also about Oman um mediating between the
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Saudis<00:51:43.400> and<00:51:43.520> the<00:51:43.720> Israelis<00:51:44.720> yeah<00:51:44.880> the<00:51:44.960> Saudis
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Saudis and the Israelis yeah the Saudis
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and the Israelis don't need Oman to do
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that okay they they do that anyway um
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and actually you know I mean I I'm going
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to be really Frank about something
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something here I I thought it was
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ridiculous<00:51:57.880> uh<00:51:58.040> that<00:51:58.200> there<00:51:58.319> was<00:51:58.640> all<00:51:59.160> of<00:51:59.440> this
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ridiculous uh that there was all of this
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effort and focus and attention and
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investment<00:52:04.960> in<00:52:05.280> DC<00:52:06.280> on<00:52:06.839> a<00:52:07.000> normalization
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investment in DC on a normalization
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between Saudi Arabia and Israel as there
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was the most important thing that need
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to be focused on within Middle East
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policy and Middle East policy in
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DC um for pretty much the entirety of
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the Biden Administration was either a
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absent okay purposely so huh you know I
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mean the joke in D
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was<00:52:26.559> that<00:52:26.760> Brett
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was that Brett
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murk's um main job was keeping the
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Middle East um off of uh you know
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President Biden's desk okay clearly
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failed um but anyway um and that the
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priorities were about Iran um and
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expanding the Abraham Accords
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particularly Saudi Israel stuff um and I
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really thought it was extremely unlikely
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like you know 90% unlikely that if it
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would be possible for there to be a
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Saudi Israel normalization deal during
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the B Administration term one um and I
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modulated that slightly um a few a few
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weeks ago I I've gone back to it being
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90 plus okay um I I really don't think
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that's that's possible during this
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Administration but none of that had to
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do with Oman okay that was a three-way
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discussion uh three main
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involved um which were Saudi Israel the
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United States which is also why it
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became<00:53:32.240> really<00:53:32.480> complicated<00:53:33.200> because<00:53:33.520> each
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became really complicated because each
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one of those elements okay had moving
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parts to them in order to come up with a
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normalization deal that would work okay
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uh again that's in deep freeze I Do by
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the way happen to think that eventually
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it may come back um and uh I don't think
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that's<00:53:50.760> in<00:53:50.920> the<00:53:51.160> far<00:53:51.599> distant<00:53:52.079> future<00:53:52.720> but<00:53:53.000> I<00:53:53.200> I
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that's in the far distant future but I I
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I don't think right now uh
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there were three parts to his question
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right did we cover all parts or did I
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miss
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something I'm scrolling back down to the
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additional
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part he went for
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question okay good all right and maybe I
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can just add a couple of words on
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Russian Iranian connection because I do
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think this is very important and the
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role<00:54:21.440> of<00:54:21.640> Iran<00:54:22.280> in<00:54:22.559> Russia's<00:54:23.079> war<00:54:23.640> in<00:54:23.839> Ukraine
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role of Iran in Russia's war in Ukraine
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and on Ukraine in a broader sense is
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really important and I believe often
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underestimated<00:54:30.599> I'm<00:54:30.760> based<00:54:31.040> in<00:54:31.200> Odessa<00:54:31.920> so
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underestimated I'm based in Odessa so
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every single night Odessa and Odessa
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region is being under attack by Iranian
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drones so the shahad drones that Iran
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sends to Russia and then Russia sends to
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Ukraine<00:54:42.240> though<00:54:42.480> in<00:54:42.680> different<00:54:43.079> mode<00:54:44.079> uh<00:54:44.280> they
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Ukraine though in different mode uh they
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attack the wood storages uh in the
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Odessa<00:54:47.880> region<00:54:48.280> specifically<00:54:48.880> because<00:54:49.280> this
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Odessa region specifically because this
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is where we have major um infrastruct
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for agriculture they attack SE Port
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infrastructure<00:54:56.559> just<00:54:56.799> you<00:54:56.960> know<00:54:57.640> a<00:54:57.760> couple<00:54:58.000> of
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infrastructure just you know a couple of
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weeks ago the sea port of Odessa itself
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was bombed and then of course we talk
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about the danu port which is another way
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for Ukrainian grain to make it all the
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way to the Middle East and other markets
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so basically Ukraine is now at War both
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with Russia and Iran and other countries
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which<00:55:18.680> willingly<00:55:19.280> or<00:55:19.720> unwillingly<00:55:20.720> help
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which willingly or unwillingly help
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Russia<00:55:21.359> like<00:55:21.520> Belarus<00:55:22.039> for<00:55:22.240> example<00:55:22.960> and<00:55:23.119> this
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Russia like Belarus for example and this
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is why it's really tough for Ukraine but
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then<00:55:26.240> uh<00:55:26.440> as<00:55:26.960> the<00:55:27.400> war<00:55:28.400> is<00:55:28.640> now<00:55:28.960> in<00:55:29.359> the
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then uh as the war is now in the
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fullscale<00:55:30.160> war<00:55:30.640> 19th<00:55:31.200> month<00:55:31.799> we<00:55:32.039> also<00:55:32.359> see<00:55:32.760> how
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fullscale war 19th month we also see how
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this<00:55:33.720> relationship<00:55:34.440> gets<00:55:34.880> institutionalized
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this relationship gets institutionalized
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and it gets deeper so now it's not only
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about<00:55:38.720> basically<00:55:39.240> Russia<00:55:39.640> buying<00:55:40.039> some
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about basically Russia buying some
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drones from Iran but about joint
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production so I think uh especially
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until recently in Ukraine there was a
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bit of this surprise on uh under
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reacting<00:55:51.920> to<00:55:52.200> this<00:55:52.559> Russian<00:55:53.039> Iranian
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reacting to this Russian Iranian
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cooperation<00:55:54.359> because<00:55:54.640> we<00:55:54.799> are<00:55:55.000> are<00:55:55.200> at<00:55:55.400> NATO's
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cooperation because we are are at NATO's
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doorstep and then Iranian drones
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attacking Ukrainian ports sometimes end
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up in Romania or somewhere in at the
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Ukrainian Romanian border which is a
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NATO member and then NATO members like
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Bulgaria Romania and turkey have their
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territorial Waters in the Black Sea and
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Russia and Iranian drones are there to
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create uh problems challenges and
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basically cause uh damage and
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destruction<00:56:25.079> just<00:56:25.359> at<00:56:25.520> NATO's<00:56:25.960> doorstep<00:56:26.520> so
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destruction just at NATO's doorstep so
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talking<00:56:27.039> about<00:56:27.359> how<00:56:27.520> the<00:56:27.640> US<00:56:27.920> is<00:56:28.039> trying<00:56:28.319> to
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talking about how the US is trying to
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divert<00:56:28.880> Russia<00:56:29.200> from<00:56:29.400> Iran<00:56:29.720> and<00:56:29.880> Iran<00:56:30.200> from
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divert Russia from Iran and Iran from
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Russia I think that much more effort is
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needed to tackle this particular problem
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because this is how Ukraine is under
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attack by both of these countries and
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this<00:56:39.640> is<00:56:40.240> especially<00:56:40.960> talking<00:56:41.240> about<00:56:41.480> food
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this is especially talking about food
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security again about the fake narratives
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by the Russian side who is pretending to
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be part of the solution whereas it
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itself<00:56:50.440> creates<00:56:51.119> the<00:56:51.760> hunger<00:56:52.440> and<00:56:52.640> Global
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itself creates the hunger and Global
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food crisis by attacking food storages
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and<00:56:55.760> infrastructure<00:56:56.440> in
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and infrastructure in
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Ukraine thank you all so much for that
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um<00:57:01.079> and<00:57:01.240> just<00:57:01.400> a<00:57:01.559> reminder<00:57:02.119> to<00:57:02.520> our<00:57:03.240> uh<00:57:03.720> our
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um and just a reminder to our uh our
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friends<00:57:04.280> who<00:57:04.480> are<00:57:04.640> putting<00:57:04.920> in<00:57:05.200> questions
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friends who are putting in questions
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please<00:57:06.000> be<00:57:06.160> sure<00:57:06.359> you<00:57:06.520> put<00:57:06.680> your<00:57:06.839> name<00:57:07.160> and
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please be sure you put your name and
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Country or affiliation all right I'm
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going to ask a couple of questions now
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in a row and then you all can choose um
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which parts um uh you uh want to and to
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respond to um so uh yaron gamberg uh
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research fellow from inss of Tel Aviv
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University<00:57:26.799> following<00:57:27.359> yesterday's
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University following yesterday's
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Declaration of Russia and Iran on
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expiring of the UN embargo on Missile
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technology transfer to Iran when do you
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think the two countries will expand
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their missile
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cooperation okay so that's one the
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second one is from Antonia deu director
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of Middle East unit Institute for
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security and defense analyses in Athens
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Greece in what ways could the the
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Ukraine Russia conflict impact the
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overall security situation in the Middle
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East including potential implications
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for ongoing Regional conflicts how
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strategic is the alignment of Russia
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with North
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Korea taking into consideration the
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latter's<00:58:12.960> involvement<00:58:13.640> in<00:58:13.760> the<00:58:13.920> war<00:58:14.240> on
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latter's involvement in the war on
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Ukraine with the reported sending of
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military equipment and ammunition that
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enabled<00:58:20.359> Russian<00:58:20.799> forces<00:58:21.240> to<00:58:21.520> attack
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enabled Russian forces to attack
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Ukrainian defenses in the eastern part
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of the
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country all right I'm going to stop with
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those two they're they're they're
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they're quite a bit right
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there maybe I can uh try this time uh
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regarding uh missiles and uh joint
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production and cooperation on that uh
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obviously this is one of the reasons why
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Russia has to be isolated and why the
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sanctions regime is important it's not
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to cause suffering to Russian people as
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Russia is generally talking about it's
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just to cut off the supplies of uh dual
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uh dual purpose Goods dual use Goods to
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Russia different chips different
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semiconductors<00:59:06.680> all<00:59:07.000> type<00:59:07.400> of<00:59:08.160> uh<00:59:08.760> things
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semiconductors all type of uh things
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that can be used for especially military
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production that will end up as missiles
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or drones in Ukraine or in some other
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parts of the world because as mentioned
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before Russia is also present in Syria
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Russia is also present in Libya
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destabilizing<00:59:23.559> the<00:59:23.720> region<00:59:24.319> so<00:59:24.720> when<00:59:24.839> we
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destabilizing the region so when we
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don't<00:59:25.240> have<00:59:25.680> a<00:59:25.960> tough<00:59:26.319> sanctions<00:59:27.000> regime<00:59:28.000> we
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don't have a tough sanctions regime we
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can be sure that we will see the
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consolidation<00:59:31.640> of<00:59:31.960> this<00:59:32.559> um<00:59:33.039> access<00:59:33.680> of
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consolidation of this um access of
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authoritarian States like Russia Iran
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North Korea to some extent China because
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there the Dynamics a bit diffic
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different but still and then all type of
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non-government actors including Terror
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organizations which are very much uh
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supported and backed by Russia in
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different countries uh across the Middle
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East but this is one of the Legacy which
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Russia actually took from the um USSR
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these connections and ties to different
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military<01:00:05.400> organizations<01:00:06.280> paramilitary
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military organizations paramilitary
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organizations and of course Russian
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mercenaries Wagner group but not only it
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there are tons of different uh private
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military companies which are now active
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in the Middle East and in Africa so if
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nothing is done there and that's also a
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part of the answer to to the second
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question we will probably see these
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growing uh sometimes tactical alliances
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sometimes uh adhoc cooperation between
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Russia and all these state that I
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mentioned regarding Russia and North
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Korea for North Korea it's obvious I
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mean this is an absolutely isolated
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State PR state so for them to get this
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access to Russia and to have this warm
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welcome<01:00:48.799> for<01:00:49.319> from<01:00:49.559> Russia<01:00:50.000> is<01:00:50.200> obviously<01:00:50.680> a
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welcome for from Russia is obviously a
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huge<01:00:51.160> Advantage<01:00:51.799> both<01:00:52.039> in<01:00:52.160> terms<01:00:52.400> of
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huge Advantage both in terms of
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reputation but also in terms of
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um real uh you know this kind of opening
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to the world but for Russia I think that
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should have been seen as a humilation
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because<01:01:03.400> if<01:01:03.839> Russia<01:01:04.760> has<01:01:04.920> to<01:01:05.200> ask<01:01:05.440> for<01:01:05.680> support
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because if Russia has to ask for support
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from North Korea this tells you a lot
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about the current state of play inside
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Russia so I'll move on to the next
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question this is from Patrick Costello
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he is a EU official working on the
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geopolitical impacts of the Russian
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invasion<01:01:21.880> of<01:01:22.319> Ukraine<01:01:23.319> uh<01:01:23.520> thank<01:01:23.680> you<01:01:23.880> hasham
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invasion of Ukraine uh thank you hasham
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for the clarity in showing why the
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classic arguments on supporting Ukraine
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don't have traction does the argument
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that two wrongs don't make a right work
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how do you think the argument for
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supporting Ukraine should be made in the
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Middle East and North Africa and I'll
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you uh well thank you Mr Costello uh for
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your compliment your question is
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excellent um as would be expected um so
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really two things one the two wrongs
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don't make a right thing um I think uh
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is very difficult to
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uphold
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when um we we don't say that this is
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also wrong right so we have to be clear
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about that and admit our wrongs admit
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what we have done as the West if we're
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talk and again the West is a really big
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thing huh you know I mean the UK I'm a
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Brit all right and as I as I know you
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are um and you know we we've done a lot
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of you know not so great things um I I
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work in DC America's been responsible
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for a lot of bad stuff and we just need
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to be honest about it if we're really
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going to make the argument of two wrongs
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don't make a right we need to be clear
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about this wrong being a wrong so that
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we can say that's why you shouldn't
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support this wrong um and I think that
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it's the the lack of transparency in
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that regard and incredible double
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standards okay so again like you know
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what comes up again and again and again
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and again whenever I bring up you know
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supportive for Ukraine um Iraq invasion
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and support for Israel in the occupation
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and Siege of Palestinian territories it
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comes up again and again and again and
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they're not wrong okay they're not wrong
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they're not wrong to call out our double
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standards when it comes to particularly
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these particular issues again doesn't
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apply to Ukraine Ukraine did not invade
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Iraq Ukraine did not support uh with
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arms even if some of the political
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language has been rather regrettable um
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the Israelis okay so yeah it's stop
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holding them to account for stuff they
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didn't do right but when we're talking
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about these wider dynamics of course
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people line up with the alliances that
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they know of okay and Ukraine for
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entirely<01:03:50.240> reasonable
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entirely reasonable
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justifications considers itself part of
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is part of the West okay so
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unfortunately gets lumped along for this
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sort of stuff um even though I don't
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think it should be because it wasn't
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responsible um how to make it better um
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I mentioned uh Lithuania in particular
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just because I find their public
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diplomacy on this stuff to be really
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good where they really remind people
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that hey by the way imperialism isn't
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simply um a western product it's pretty
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equal opportun
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and one of the better purchases of the
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product was the USSR all right um and we
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know that because we were victims of it
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what what do you mean a Western Country
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can be victim of imperialism and
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colonialism it's like yes that was us
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and also other people that were stuck
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under the Soviet boot okay it's like wow
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that's that's intriguing you know so to
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to be I remember being at a National Day
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celebration prthu
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um and the the Ambassador um and this
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was in in a Middle East Country um he
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used words like anti-colonial struggle
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he used words like anti-imperialism he
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used words like resistance against you
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know the Invader um and the these are
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all not just justifiable they're
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completely right you know they're
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incredibly right and they're very up to
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date you know it's not we're not talking
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that 20 30 40 years ago we're talking
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now like right now um and I think that
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was very powerful I think it shook
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people up because they're like no no
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wait this isn't compute anti-imperialism
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can only be about you know against the
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West right um and the fact is is that
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it's<01:05:35.920> not<01:05:36.119> just<01:05:36.279> about<01:05:36.480> the<01:05:36.599> West<01:05:37.200> it<01:05:37.319> can<01:05:37.520> also
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it's not just about the West it can also
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be about non-western Powers um and in
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particular<01:05:41.599> in<01:05:41.760> this<01:05:41.960> regard<01:05:42.799> Russia<01:05:43.799> okay
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particular in this regard Russia okay
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but we have to be consistent you know um
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we will find it very difficult to get
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people<01:05:49.680> to<01:05:49.960> recognize<01:05:50.559> the<01:05:50.760> importance<01:05:51.359> of
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people to recognize the importance of
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upholding<01:05:52.319> International<01:05:53.119> order<01:05:53.880> if<01:05:54.079> if<01:05:54.200> we
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upholding International order if if we
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only say that hey it applies here but
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there thank you hasham and since oh I'm
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sorry<01:06:04.480> just<01:06:04.599> one<01:06:04.839> second<01:06:05.119> since<01:06:05.359> we've<01:06:05.559> had
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sorry just one second since we've had
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additional people join us I just want to
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remind<01:06:08.079> you<01:06:08.520> that<01:06:09.039> usra<01:06:09.599> is<01:06:09.760> speaking<01:06:10.160> for
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remind you that usra is speaking for
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herself and not the US government just
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so<01:06:13.000> everyone<01:06:13.720> uh<01:06:13.839> knows<01:06:14.279> yes
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so everyone uh knows yes
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yena<01:06:16.319> yeah<01:06:16.640> thank<01:06:16.760> you<01:06:16.880> for<01:06:17.000> the<01:06:17.200> question
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yena yeah thank you for the question
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that was not for me but I just wanted to
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add one thing and that is a presence in
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the informational space of uh the Middle
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Eastern countries uh which uh very
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specific uh targeted content and also in
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the languages of those countries because
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I know it also from Turkey for example
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that many Turkish people do not
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necessarily speak English and in Arab
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countries that the same and what Russia
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is doing they have been specifically
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active and present with Arab language
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Spanish language for Latin America for
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example uh very specific content which
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is easy which is understandable which is
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sexy<01:07:00.279> which<01:07:00.400> is<01:07:00.680> populist<01:07:01.279> of<01:07:01.480> course<01:07:01.720> and<01:07:01.960> it
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sexy which is populist of course and it
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go through all those lines of uh
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Colonial Imperial West and then nice
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Russia so my uh it's not a
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recommendation<01:07:11.319> but<01:07:11.559> probably<01:07:12.039> appeal<01:07:12.520> would
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recommendation but probably appeal would
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be also to step up efforts to reach out
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to hearts and minds of people in the
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Middle East and to speak uh let's say
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normal language so less official state
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statements but rather trying to have
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some kind of social media campaigns
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knowing the specifics of the audiences
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in those countries because what I can
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tell you from Ukrainian experience and
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Ukraine can be a perfect opportunity to
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reframe the whole narrative and
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discourse specifically for those reasons
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which hasham mentioned because Ukraine
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has not invaded Iraq Ukraine has not
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been part of the Imperial or Colonial uh
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Legacy<01:07:52.319> but<01:07:52.599> rather<01:07:53.079> on<01:07:53.319> the<01:07:53.480> opposite<01:07:54.000> so
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Legacy but rather on the opposite so
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Ukraine<01:07:54.640> can<01:07:54.839> be<01:07:55.039> a<01:07:55.279> perfect<01:07:55.880> case<01:07:56.599> to<01:07:56.799> show
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Ukraine can be a perfect case to show
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the fallacy of all these Russian
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Concepts so what we have been doing is
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reaching<01:08:02.119> out<01:08:02.400> to<01:08:02.640> those<01:08:02.880> countries<01:08:03.400> in
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reaching out to those countries in
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Africa<01:08:04.240> in<01:08:04.440> Latin<01:08:04.799> America<01:08:05.359> in<01:08:05.520> the<01:08:05.680> Middle
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Africa in Latin America in the Middle
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East in the so-called Global South
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though<01:08:08.440> I<01:08:08.680> hate<01:08:09.240> the<01:08:09.440> term<01:08:09.880> but<01:08:10.160> just<01:08:10.319> to<01:08:10.480> name
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though I hate the term but just to name
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you<01:08:10.839> know<01:08:11.039> India<01:08:11.480> Indonesia<01:08:12.000> and<01:08:12.160> all<01:08:12.359> these
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you know India Indonesia and all these
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countries<01:08:13.440> to<01:08:13.760> explain<01:08:14.279> what<01:08:14.480> Ukraine<01:08:14.920> is<01:08:15.079> all
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countries to explain what Ukraine is all
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about<01:08:15.640> because<01:08:15.960> very<01:08:16.199> often<01:08:16.480> you<01:08:16.600> will<01:08:16.799> hear
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about because very often you will hear
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all<01:08:17.400> these<01:08:17.600> weird<01:08:18.040> narratives<01:08:18.640> not<01:08:18.880> because
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all these weird narratives not because
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someone<01:08:19.520> dislikes<01:08:20.080> Ukraine<01:08:20.600> or<01:08:20.759> is<01:08:20.920> super
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someone dislikes Ukraine or is super
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pragmatic<01:08:21.799> and<01:08:22.000> just<01:08:22.120> wants<01:08:22.359> to<01:08:22.560> trade<01:08:22.920> with
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pragmatic and just wants to trade with
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Russia<01:08:23.480> which<01:08:23.600> is<01:08:23.920> another<01:08:24.199> thing<01:08:24.679> but<01:08:24.839> just
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Russia which is another thing but just
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because<01:08:25.359> they<01:08:25.520> have<01:08:25.719> no<01:08:25.960> idea<01:08:26.319> about<01:08:26.679> history
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because they have no idea about history
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of<01:08:27.239> Ukraine<01:08:27.920> there<01:08:28.040> are<01:08:28.239> no<01:08:28.480> Ukrainian
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of Ukraine there are no Ukrainian
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studies<01:08:30.080> uh<01:08:30.799> centers<01:08:31.359> think<01:08:31.600> tanks
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studies uh centers think tanks
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University there it's all viewed via
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Russian<01:08:34.880> lenses<01:08:35.440> so<01:08:35.719> we<01:08:35.960> what<01:08:36.120> we<01:08:36.279> can<01:08:36.520> do<01:08:36.759> is
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Russian lenses so we what we can do is
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tell<01:08:37.319> our<01:08:37.839> story<01:08:38.640> and<01:08:39.120> storytelling<01:08:40.120> in<01:08:40.239> a<01:08:40.440> way
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tell our story and storytelling in a way
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that<01:08:40.880> would<01:08:41.040> be<01:08:41.400> really<01:08:42.400> appealing<01:08:42.839> to<01:08:43.080> those
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that would be really appealing to those
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people<01:08:43.679> is<01:08:43.960> important<01:08:44.520> and<01:08:44.679> when<01:08:44.880> we<01:08:45.040> tell<01:08:45.319> our
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people is important and when we tell our
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stories<01:08:46.400> saying<01:08:46.799> that<01:08:47.040> we<01:08:47.199> are<01:08:48.040> white<01:08:48.440> we<01:08:48.640> have
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stories saying that we are white we have
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I<01:08:49.000> don't<01:08:49.159> know<01:08:49.359> blue<01:08:49.640> eyes<01:08:49.880> or<01:08:50.120> green<01:08:50.400> eyes<01:08:50.839> but
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I don't know blue eyes or green eyes but
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we<01:08:51.120> are<01:08:51.400> a<01:08:51.600> victim<01:08:51.960> of<01:08:52.480> colonization<01:08:53.480> it
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we are a victim of colonization it
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relates<01:08:54.440> very<01:08:54.719> much<01:08:55.000> to<01:08:55.319> to<01:08:55.600> to<01:08:56.000> to<01:08:56.199> the
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relates very much to to to to the
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experiences<01:08:57.080> of<01:08:57.319> those<01:08:57.520> people<01:08:57.799> in<01:08:57.920> the
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experiences of those people in the
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region<01:08:58.440> but<01:08:58.560> it's<01:08:58.759> important<01:08:59.159> to<01:08:59.400> go<01:08:59.759> there<01:09:00.080> to
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region but it's important to go there to
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talk<01:09:01.040> to<01:09:01.319> have<01:09:02.000> uh<01:09:02.920> bilateral<01:09:03.640> contexts
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talk to have uh bilateral contexts
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multilateral<01:09:04.960> contexts<01:09:05.480> and<01:09:05.679> to<01:09:05.880> step<01:09:06.159> up
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multilateral contexts and to step up
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presence<01:09:07.040> in<01:09:07.239> the<01:09:07.480> informational<01:09:08.239> sphere
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presence in the informational sphere
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because<01:09:09.000> Russia<01:09:09.440> is<01:09:09.759> everywhere<01:09:10.279> from<01:09:10.480> Russia
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because Russia is everywhere from Russia
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Today<01:09:11.120> to<01:09:11.279> Sputnik<01:09:12.040> whereas<01:09:12.520> from<01:09:13.159> Ukrainian
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Today to Sputnik whereas from Ukrainian
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side<01:09:14.279> unfortunately<01:09:14.920> we<01:09:15.120> lacked<01:09:15.480> resources
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side unfortunately we lacked resources
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for<01:09:16.199> a<01:09:16.319> long<01:09:16.560> period<01:09:16.880> of<01:09:17.080> time<01:09:17.600> and<01:09:17.799> now<01:09:18.000> we<01:09:18.120> try
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for a long period of time and now we try
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to<01:09:18.520> step<01:09:18.799> up<01:09:19.000> effort<01:09:19.359> so<01:09:19.679> probably<01:09:20.400> if<01:09:20.640> the<01:09:20.839> US
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to step up effort so probably if the US
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and<01:09:21.600> generally<01:09:22.279> European<01:09:22.799> countries<01:09:23.239> could
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and generally European countries could
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support<01:09:24.520> Ukraine's<01:09:25.279> efforts<01:09:25.799> in<01:09:26.080> countering
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support Ukraine's efforts in countering
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Russian disinformation in the Middle
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East and Africa that would be a
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win-win-win<01:09:31.880> situation<01:09:32.359> for<01:09:32.520> the<01:09:32.640> Middle
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win-win-win situation for the Middle
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US<01:09:37.400> great<01:09:37.880> thank<01:09:38.120> you<01:09:38.520> all<01:09:38.679> right<01:09:38.839> I'm<01:09:38.960> going
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US great thank you all right I'm going
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to<01:09:39.159> read<01:09:39.359> a<01:09:39.520> couple<01:09:39.920> questions<01:09:40.480> again<01:09:41.480> um<01:09:41.960> Rena
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to read a couple questions again um Rena
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panou<01:09:43.040> from<01:09:43.199> the<01:09:43.319> United<01:09:43.839> States<01:09:44.839> how<01:09:45.040> does
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panou from the United States how does
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fomenting<01:09:46.199> chaos<01:09:46.799> benefit<01:09:47.359> Russia<01:09:48.120> or<01:09:48.400> any
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fomenting chaos benefit Russia or any
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other<01:09:49.040> Nation<01:09:49.440> for<01:09:49.679> that<01:09:49.920> matter<01:09:50.799> does<01:09:51.000> it
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other Nation for that matter does it
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distract<01:09:51.880> the<01:09:52.040> world<01:09:52.400> from<01:09:52.719> other<01:09:53.120> issues
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distract the world from other issues
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uh<01:09:55.239> and<01:09:55.440> then<01:09:55.800> aan<01:09:56.400> miti<01:09:56.880> from<01:09:57.560> Libya<01:09:58.560> one<01:09:58.719> of
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uh and then aan miti from Libya one of
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the<01:09:59.120> factors<01:09:59.440> in<01:09:59.560> the<01:09:59.679> Middle<01:09:59.960> East<01:10:00.199> in<01:10:00.360> the
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the factors in the Middle East in the
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Mediterranean<01:10:01.600> affected<01:10:02.159> by<01:10:02.320> the<01:10:02.520> Russo
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Mediterranean affected by the Russo
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Ukrainian<01:10:03.679> war<01:10:04.040> is<01:10:04.199> that<01:10:04.360> the<01:10:04.520> people<01:10:04.880> there
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Ukrainian war is that the people there
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have<01:10:05.320> come<01:10:05.520> to<01:10:05.719> believe<01:10:06.120> that<01:10:06.280> the<01:10:06.520> region
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have come to believe that the region
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must<01:10:07.159> enter<01:10:07.560> into<01:10:07.880> forced<01:10:08.360> alliances<01:10:09.040> with
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must enter into forced alliances with
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Russia<01:10:10.320> in<01:10:10.480> order<01:10:10.760> to<01:10:11.040> create<01:10:11.520> some<01:10:11.800> kind<01:10:11.960> of
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Russia in order to create some kind of
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balance<01:10:12.520> of<01:10:12.920> power<01:10:13.920> this<01:10:14.080> is<01:10:14.280> the<01:10:14.480> result<01:10:14.840> of
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balance of power this is the result of
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foreign<01:10:15.440> countries<01:10:15.960> interfering<01:10:16.800> in<01:10:17.000> their
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foreign countries interfering in their
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Internal<01:10:17.880> Affairs<01:10:18.440> for<01:10:18.679> example<01:10:19.199> Russia
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Internal Affairs for example Russia
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expansion<01:10:20.159> in<01:10:20.360> Libya<01:10:21.199> and<01:10:21.360> its<01:10:21.520> role<01:10:21.800> in
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expansion in Libya and its role in
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influencing<01:10:22.640> the<01:10:22.760> electoral<01:10:23.320> process
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influencing the electoral process
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now<01:10:24.840> we<01:10:24.960> see<01:10:25.239> some<01:10:25.480> statements<01:10:25.920> or<01:10:26.120> messages
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now we see some statements or messages
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from<01:10:26.760> Putin<01:10:27.120> that<01:10:27.239> appeal<01:10:27.560> to<01:10:27.760> the<01:10:27.920> feelings
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from Putin that appeal to the feelings
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of<01:10:28.560> those<01:10:28.800> sympathetic<01:10:29.400> to<01:10:29.560> the<01:10:29.719> Palestinian
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of those sympathetic to the Palestinian
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cause<01:10:31.280> my<01:10:31.480> question<01:10:31.960> is<01:10:32.960> to<01:10:33.199> what<01:10:33.440> extent<01:10:33.800> do
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cause my question is to what extent do
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you<01:10:34.159> believe<01:10:34.520> that<01:10:34.760> direct<01:10:35.159> US<01:10:35.600> military
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you believe that direct US military
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intervention<01:10:37.120> in<01:10:37.360> support<01:10:37.679> of<01:10:37.960> Israel<01:10:38.920> will
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intervention in support of Israel will
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create<01:10:39.520> a<01:10:39.760> new<01:10:40.000> kind<01:10:40.199> of<01:10:40.520> acceptance<01:10:41.040> for
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create a new kind of acceptance for
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Russian expansion in the region given
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Sean<01:10:53.120> okay
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Sean okay
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so first of all I don't think that
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anybody<01:10:57.920> prior<01:10:59.080> to<01:11:00.080> the<01:11:00.320> last<01:11:00.600> 10<01:11:00.920> days<01:11:01.400> was
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anybody prior to the last 10 days was
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really<01:11:01.920> under<01:11:02.239> any<01:11:02.600> illusion<01:11:03.239> the<01:11:03.520> United
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really under any illusion the United
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States was not incredibly
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pro-israel<01:11:08.400> um<01:11:08.960> and<01:11:09.600> hardly<01:11:09.880> an<01:11:10.000> honest
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pro-israel um and hardly an honest
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broker<01:11:11.120> in<01:11:11.480> the<01:11:11.679> conflict<01:11:12.120> between<01:11:12.360> the
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broker in the conflict between the
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Israelis<01:11:12.880> and<01:11:12.960> the<01:11:13.080> Palestinians<01:11:13.760> so<01:11:14.360> in<01:11:14.520> that
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Israelis and the Palestinians so in that
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regard<01:11:15.280> I<01:11:15.400> don't<01:11:15.600> think<01:11:15.800> it's<01:11:16.040> terribly<01:11:16.840> new
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regard I don't think it's terribly new
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um<01:11:18.400> I<01:11:18.560> do<01:11:18.840> think<01:11:19.080> it's<01:11:19.199> a<01:11:19.440> reconfirmation<01:11:20.400> of
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um I do think it's a reconfirmation of
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people's<01:11:21.159> worst<01:11:21.960> suspicions<01:11:22.960> uh<01:11:23.159> about<01:11:23.840> lack
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people's worst suspicions uh about lack
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of<01:11:24.480> balance<01:11:25.440> and<01:11:25.640> the<01:11:25.840> absence<01:11:26.239> of<01:11:26.440> double
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of balance and the absence of double
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standards<01:11:27.840> when<01:11:27.960> it<01:11:28.199> comes<01:11:28.520> to<01:11:28.880> the
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standards when it comes to the
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region<01:11:30.760> um<01:11:31.760> and<01:11:32.760> uh<01:11:33.080> one<01:11:33.280> thing<01:11:33.480> is<01:11:33.760> very
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region um and uh one thing is very
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different in in 2023 I suppose as
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compared<01:11:38.560> to<01:11:39.199> I<01:11:39.280> don't<01:11:39.440> know<01:11:39.639> I<01:11:39.760> think<01:11:40.000> back
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compared to I don't know I think back
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historically<01:11:40.880> speaking<01:11:41.600> when<01:11:41.760> I<01:11:41.920> first
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historically speaking when I first
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started in this sort of Arena um first
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we have social media which means that um
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uh<01:11:50.760> two<01:11:51.000> things<01:11:51.280> happen<01:11:51.639> disinformation<01:11:52.360> gets
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uh two things happen disinformation gets
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spread<01:11:52.920> like<01:11:53.120> wildfire
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spread like wildfire
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so there's a great effort by the
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Russians<01:11:56.760> to<01:11:56.960> engage<01:11:57.320> in
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Russians to engage in
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disinformation<01:11:59.440> um<01:12:00.080> and<01:12:00.320> people<01:12:00.639> consume<01:12:01.080> it
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disinformation um and people consume it
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right<01:12:01.840> like<01:12:01.960> RTI<01:12:02.400> is<01:12:02.679> very<01:12:02.960> influential<01:12:03.840> RTI
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right like RTI is very influential RTI
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Arabic<01:12:05.040> I'm<01:12:06.040> not<01:12:06.280> very<01:12:06.560> pleased<01:12:06.960> about<01:12:07.320> but
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Arabic I'm not very pleased about but
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you know that's the way it is um the
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other<01:12:10.480> thing<01:12:10.679> is<01:12:10.840> that<01:12:11.080> discourse<01:12:11.920> becomes
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other thing is that discourse becomes
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very<01:12:13.880> um<01:12:14.520> very
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very um very
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widespread<01:12:16.880> um<01:12:17.280> so<01:12:17.679> something<01:12:18.040> that<01:12:18.560> happens
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widespread um so something that happens
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Illinois okay will be
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throughout<01:12:24.520> the<01:12:24.679> Arab<01:12:25.040> world<01:12:25.920> by<01:12:26.120> the
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throughout the Arab world by the
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following
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day um if not by the end of that day
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depending<01:12:32.199> on<01:12:32.320> the<01:12:32.480> time<01:12:32.719> difference<01:12:33.320> so<01:12:34.239> you
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depending on the time difference so you
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know the the discourse that has been
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spread<01:12:38.480> across<01:12:38.920> the<01:12:39.120> airwaves<01:12:40.239> huh<01:12:41.239> uh<01:12:41.639> by
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spread across the airwaves huh uh by
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American politicians by British
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politicians by British media American
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Media um let alone Israeli politicians
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and Israeli media huh when it comes to
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Palestinians<01:12:53.159> Arabs<01:12:53.639> and<01:12:53.800> Muslims<01:12:54.280> has
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Palestinians Arabs and Muslims has
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really<01:12:54.600> been
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really been
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atrocious<01:12:56.440> um<01:12:56.679> not<01:12:56.840> just<01:12:56.960> in<01:12:57.080> the<01:12:57.199> past<01:12:57.360> 10
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atrocious um not just in the past 10
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days H you know there's lots of stuff
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that relates to this and I'm bring this
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up<01:13:02.679> because<01:13:03.120> everybody<01:13:03.800> sees
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up because everybody sees
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it<01:13:05.840> okay<01:13:06.239> so<01:13:06.520> because<01:13:06.960> everybody<01:13:07.480> sees<01:13:07.880> it
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it okay so because everybody sees it
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what then happens the Russians bring it
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up and the Russians say look at them
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they hit you right they they think
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you're<01:13:15.639> a<01:13:15.719> bunch<01:13:15.880> of<01:13:16.239> Barbarians<01:13:17.239> they<01:13:17.440> say
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you're a bunch of Barbarians they say
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flatten<01:13:18.840> Gaza<01:13:19.840> um<01:13:20.239> which<01:13:20.760> by<01:13:20.920> the
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flatten Gaza um which by the
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way<01:13:23.480> they<01:13:23.639> did<01:13:24.159> they<01:13:24.320> did<01:13:24.480> say<01:13:24.800> that<01:13:25.120> and
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way they did they did say that and
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they've<01:13:25.480> been<01:13:25.639> doing<01:13:25.920> that<01:13:26.199> but<01:13:26.719> you<01:13:26.840> know<01:13:27.120> you
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they've been doing that but you know you
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you have prominent Republican um who was
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it Lindy Graham like he actually said it
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outright<01:13:33.360> he<01:13:33.440> said<01:13:33.760> flatten<01:13:34.159> it<01:13:35.000> right<01:13:35.440> you
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outright he said flatten it right you
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have uh uh and then what happened in
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Illinois Palestinian kid six years old
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stabbed<01:13:42.239> 26<01:13:42.719> times<01:13:43.239> by<01:13:43.360> his
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stabbed 26 times by his
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landlord<01:13:45.960> um<01:13:46.280> every<01:13:46.760> I<01:13:46.880> guarantee<01:13:47.199> you
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landlord um every I guarantee you
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everybody<01:13:47.920> knew<01:13:48.199> about<01:13:48.440> that<01:13:48.760> in<01:13:48.880> the<01:13:49.000> Middle
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everybody knew about that in the Middle
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East within a few hours okay because
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social media moves like that
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and<01:13:54.920> the<01:13:55.080> Russians<01:13:55.920> take<01:13:56.280> full<01:13:56.760> advantage<01:13:57.239> of
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and the Russians take full advantage of
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it let me tell you it goes off on all of
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their media right uh to remind people
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that you know look here are very senior
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uh American politicians American Media
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you know um and sometimes they make
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stuff completely up okay but it does
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mean that there is this strengthening of
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a
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narrative that becomes very difficult to
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ignore um so does make our job as uh as
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people who are trying to you know
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educate and inform that much more
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difficult because the narratives are not
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baseless you know there's incredible
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anti-muslim<01:14:36.280> and<01:14:36.480> anti-arab<01:14:37.520> bigotry<01:14:38.520> across
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anti-muslim and anti-arab bigotry across
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wide sves of the West you know it is
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mainstreamed in our political debate and
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discussion and media Outlets across the
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West okay um I study this you know I'm
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uh I I do academic work on this and have
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done since 2000 all right it is scary at
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how much of this stuff is not relegated
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to the far right but is part and parcel
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of the mainstream Central disc Centrist
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discussion on these issues um and people
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see it and because of social media a lot
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more people see it than they used to so
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yeah we've got a lot of work to do and I
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seriously thank you anyone El
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yes yeah I wanted to uh get back to the
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question why Russia wants chos and why
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how actually Russia capit capitalizes on
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that and that's also building up on on
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what Hassam just said because uh you
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know it's really easy to use all uh
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these um crisis violence uh to spare
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islamophobia but also all kind of
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polarization in societies and that is
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how you have done far right parties or
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farle parties being popular across
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Europe which of course benefits Russia
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because this is how you undermine the
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liberal values this is how you undermine
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trust in institutions this is how you
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can show that United Nations for example
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is completely Paralyzed by vetto power
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sometimes of Russia sometimes of the
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United States sometimes of China and
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this is why Ukraine is talking about the
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need for reform in the United Nations
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but all in all it show it shows you how
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the whole world is stuck how it's
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inefficient and how there is no solution
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to the problem that you have and when
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you have no solution and when you have
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fear<01:16:37.280> this<01:16:37.400> is<01:16:37.600> how<01:16:37.880> reflexive<01:16:38.639> control
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fear this is how reflexive control
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operations work and this is especially
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what Russia is doing psychological
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operations information operations
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undermining trust and credibility of the
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liberal
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Institutions and this brings me to the
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point that uh you know there are two
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types of power you have either power of
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mass destruction or power of mass
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attraction Russia has nothing to attract
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with Russian soft power is not even zero
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it's below zero because there is nothing
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in the model of Russian society which it
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with which it can attract uh nations in
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the<01:17:18.320> Middle<01:17:18.639> East<01:17:18.960> in<01:17:19.159> Europe<01:17:19.600> anywhere<01:17:20.440> even
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the Middle East in Europe anywhere even
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its own people so what you can do is
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either blackmail with nuclear weapons
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all these uh war moring and then you
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know<01:17:30.360> this<01:17:30.639> kind<01:17:30.800> of<01:17:31.159> nuclear<01:17:31.600> saber<01:17:32.000> Rin<01:17:32.440> that
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know this kind of nuclear saber Rin that
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Russia<01:17:32.960> is<01:17:33.159> very<01:17:33.360> much<01:17:33.600> engaged<01:17:34.120> in<01:17:34.840> or<01:17:35.120> you
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Russia is very much engaged in or you
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can<01:17:35.440> show<01:17:35.760> that<01:17:36.000> yes<01:17:36.159> we're<01:17:36.440> not<01:17:36.760> ideal<01:17:37.280> but
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can show that yes we're not ideal but
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then<01:17:37.600> the<01:17:37.719> West<01:17:38.000> is<01:17:38.159> even<01:17:38.440> worse<01:17:39.120> so<01:17:39.400> align
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then the West is even worse so align
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with us and for this specific reason of
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course it's better to have this chaos
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across the world because there is no a
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model<01:17:48.239> of<01:17:48.440> the<01:17:48.639> order<01:17:49.199> that<01:17:49.400> Russia<01:17:49.840> can<01:17:50.480> offer
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model of the order that Russia can offer
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it<01:17:51.280> just<01:17:51.639> has<01:17:52.320> a<01:17:52.600> dis<01:17:53.080> order<01:17:53.679> model<01:17:54.239> which
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it just has a dis order model which
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would<01:17:54.639> benefit<01:17:55.159> Russia<01:17:55.639> and<01:17:55.920> all<01:17:56.280> other
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would benefit Russia and all other
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authoritarian<01:17:58.560> illiberal<01:17:59.560> government<01:18:00.000> and
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authoritarian illiberal government and
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non-government
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actors<01:18:04.719> great<01:18:05.080> thank<01:18:05.280> you<01:18:05.520> all<01:18:05.639> right<01:18:05.800> so<01:18:06.040> we
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actors great thank you all right so we
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have<01:18:07.239> uh<01:18:07.480> really<01:18:07.679> only<01:18:07.920> a<01:18:08.000> few<01:18:08.199> minutes<01:18:08.520> left
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have uh really only a few minutes left
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so I'm going to read just the last two
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questions and then uh we can answer the
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parts that we can and then we'll turn it
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back<01:18:15.280> over<01:18:15.600> to<01:18:16.040> uh<01:18:16.120> Steve<01:18:16.400> Spiegel<01:18:17.239> all<01:18:17.360> right
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back over to uh Steve Spiegel all right
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so<01:18:17.760> Deborah<01:18:18.159> Lynch<01:18:18.520> from<01:18:18.679> the<01:18:18.840> United<01:18:19.239> States
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so Deborah Lynch from the United States
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um<01:18:20.480> why<01:18:20.639> is<01:18:20.800> no<01:18:20.920> one<01:18:21.120> mentioning<01:18:21.600> India<01:18:22.080> in<01:18:22.239> all
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um why is no one mentioning India in all
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of<01:18:22.600> this<01:18:23.280> isn't<01:18:23.679> their<01:18:24.000> biggest<01:18:24.400> fear<01:18:24.800> the
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of this isn't their biggest fear the
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military<01:18:25.560> threat<01:18:25.840> of<01:18:26.000> Iran<01:18:26.480> whom<01:18:26.800> obviously
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military threat of Iran whom obviously
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has<01:18:27.520> ties<01:18:27.880> to<01:18:28.120> Russia<01:18:29.120> do<01:18:29.400> any<01:18:29.639> of<01:18:29.800> you<01:18:30.000> feel
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has ties to Russia do any of you feel
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that<01:18:30.520> all<01:18:30.679> of<01:18:30.960> this<01:18:31.239> Strife<01:18:31.719> in<01:18:31.920> Europe<01:18:32.239> and
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that all of this Strife in Europe and
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Russia will eventually involve India in
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some<01:18:35.040> way<01:18:36.040> and<01:18:36.239> then<01:18:36.639> the<01:18:36.880> last<01:18:37.320> question<01:18:38.320> masi
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some way and then the last question masi
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Sadat<01:18:39.239> who's<01:18:39.440> an<01:18:39.639> MA<01:18:40.080> student<01:18:40.440> from
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Sadat who's an MA student from
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Copenhagen<01:18:41.920> University<01:18:42.920> Russia<01:18:43.320> not<01:18:43.520> getting
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Copenhagen University Russia not getting
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involved<01:18:44.239> in<01:18:44.360> the<01:18:44.480> Gaza<01:18:44.880> crisis<01:18:45.280> is<01:18:45.480> not
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involved in the Gaza crisis is not
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because<01:18:46.000> it's<01:18:46.120> irrelevant<01:18:46.719> or<01:18:47.080> powerless<01:18:47.600> and
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because it's irrelevant or powerless and
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international<01:18:48.480> media<01:18:48.880> has<01:18:49.040> in<01:18:49.239> fact<01:18:49.480> focused
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international media has in fact focused
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on<01:18:50.080> whether<01:18:50.239> or<01:18:50.400> not<01:18:50.639> Russia<01:18:51.000> and<01:18:51.159> China<01:18:51.480> would
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on whether or not Russia and China would
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get<01:18:51.800> involved<01:18:52.520> inad<01:18:52.880> instead<01:18:53.199> as<01:18:53.360> I<01:18:53.560> view<01:18:53.800> it
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get involved inad instead as I view it
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it's<01:18:54.360> because<01:18:54.760> Russia<01:18:55.159> doesn't<01:18:55.520> want<01:18:55.760> to<01:18:56.000> lose
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it's because Russia doesn't want to lose
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Israel's<01:18:57.239> neutrality<01:18:58.199> over<01:18:58.800> Ukraine<01:18:59.800> as<01:18:59.960> well
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Israel's neutrality over Ukraine as well
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Russia Israel agreements and cooperation
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regarding<01:19:02.920> Golan<01:19:03.440> and<01:19:03.639> Syrian<01:19:04.120> border<01:19:04.719> and<01:19:04.840> to
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regarding Golan and Syrian border and to
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a<01:19:05.080> lesser<01:19:05.480> degree<01:19:05.880> the<01:19:06.040> large<01:19:06.360> Russian
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a lesser degree the large Russian
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population<01:19:07.159> in<01:19:07.320> Israel<01:19:08.080> are<01:19:08.360> factors<01:19:08.880> that
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population in Israel are factors that
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might<01:19:09.440> explain<01:19:09.960> Russia's<01:19:10.600> passiveness<01:19:11.400> what
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might explain Russia's passiveness what
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do<01:19:11.639> you
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do you
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think<01:19:13.760> yes<01:19:14.000> usra<01:19:14.960> um<01:19:15.400> hi<01:19:15.639> guys<01:19:16.080> um<01:19:16.480> I'm<01:19:16.600> gonna
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think yes usra um hi guys um I'm gonna
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take<01:19:17.040> on<01:19:17.520> the<01:19:17.639> first<01:19:17.960> half<01:19:18.120> of<01:19:18.280> that<01:19:18.560> a<01:19:18.679> little
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take on the first half of that a little
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bit and I think the premise is a little
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bit<01:19:21.159> wrong<01:19:21.600> I<01:19:21.679> don't<01:19:21.880> think<01:19:22.120> India's<01:19:23.280> number
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bit wrong I don't think India's number
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one<01:19:23.719> threat<01:19:24.000> is<01:19:24.159> Iran<01:19:24.760> I<01:19:24.880> think<01:19:25.440> India's
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one threat is Iran I think India's
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probably<01:19:26.760> number<01:19:27.000> one<01:19:27.199> threats<01:19:27.480> are<01:19:27.840> internal
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probably number one threats are internal
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and I think because of that India has
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had<01:19:30.760> a<01:19:30.960> really<01:19:31.280> aggressive<01:19:32.040> islamophobic
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had a really aggressive islamophobic
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stance<01:19:33.199> within<01:19:33.440> their<01:19:33.600> own<01:19:33.880> country<01:19:34.360> and<01:19:34.679> To
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stance within their own country and To
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The<01:19:34.960> World<01:19:35.239> At<01:19:35.600> Large<01:19:36.600> and<01:19:36.800> has<01:19:37.000> really
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The World At Large and has really
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fermented<01:19:37.679> a<01:19:37.760> lot<01:19:37.880> of<01:19:38.040> violence<01:19:38.440> towards
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fermented a lot of violence towards
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their<01:19:38.960> internal<01:19:39.320> Muslim<01:19:39.760> populations<01:19:40.760> and<01:19:41.000> I
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their internal Muslim populations and I
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think<01:19:41.440> encouraged<01:19:42.440> violence<01:19:42.880> going<01:19:43.239> the
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think encouraged violence going the
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other<01:19:43.639> way
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other way
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um<01:19:46.360> uh<01:19:46.480> and<01:19:46.600> I<01:19:46.679> will<01:19:46.840> hand<01:19:47.000> it<01:19:47.080> over<01:19:47.199> to<01:19:47.320> my
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um uh and I will hand it over to my
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co-panelists<01:19:48.199> for<01:19:48.440> the<01:19:48.840> for<01:19:48.960> the<01:19:49.159> rest<01:19:50.159> thank
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co-panelists for the for the rest thank
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you yep Shan um I I don't I don't have
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anything<01:19:57.520> to<01:19:57.840> add<01:19:58.080> on<01:19:58.320> the<01:19:58.480> India<01:19:59.080> Point<01:19:59.880> um
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anything to add on the India Point um
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the Russia point with regard to Gaza I I
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don't<01:20:03.080> think<01:20:03.280> is<01:20:03.679> correct<01:20:04.679> um<01:20:05.520> because<01:20:05.920> you
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don't think is correct um because you
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have seen actually Russia um issue
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political statements that are pretty
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condemnatory<01:20:13.480> um<01:20:13.719> of<01:20:13.920> the<01:20:14.080> Israelis<01:20:15.080> uh<01:20:15.199> which
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condemnatory um of the Israelis uh which
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has<01:20:15.520> actually<01:20:15.800> wanted<01:20:16.440> a<01:20:16.560> lot<01:20:16.800> of<01:20:17.199> Applause<01:20:18.199> um
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has actually wanted a lot of Applause um
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in different places because of um
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widespread<01:20:22.880> feeling<01:20:23.440> that<01:20:23.719> you<01:20:23.840> know<01:20:24.040> they
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widespread feeling that you know they
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actually happen to be right on this
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particular point but uh I don't think it
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has anything about you know um keeping
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uh<01:20:32.760> uh<01:20:32.880> Israel's<01:20:33.400> neutrality<01:20:34.159> on<01:20:34.520> Ukraine<01:20:35.520> um
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uh uh Israel's neutrality on Ukraine um
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I think there's a much wider discussion
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around Ukraine and Israel uh which is
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probably not the time but uh I uh I
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don't<01:20:44.719> think<01:20:44.920> that's<01:20:45.120> what<01:20:45.239> it<01:20:45.400> is<01:20:45.679> I<01:20:45.760> don't
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don't think that's what it is I don't
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see evidence for that um I think on the
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contrary<01:20:49.840> um<01:20:50.320> Russia<01:20:50.719> is<01:20:50.960> pleased<01:20:51.440> to<01:20:51.600> see<01:20:51.960> the
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contrary um Russia is pleased to see the
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United States States get uh entangled in
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this particular crisis because I reckon
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Moscow thinks that it will uh distract
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the United States um from its support of
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Ukraine<01:21:05.480> um<01:21:05.760> and<01:21:05.840> certainly<01:21:06.199> in<01:21:06.360> discussions
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Ukraine um and certainly in discussions
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in DC the bat you know it's it's we call
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it<01:21:10.080> bandwidth<01:21:10.880> right<01:21:11.199> you<01:21:11.320> know<01:21:11.480> somebody's
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it bandwidth right you know somebody's
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using up the bandwidth so we can't use
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up<01:21:14.120> other<01:21:14.600> bits<01:21:14.840> of<01:21:14.960> the<01:21:15.080> bandwidth<01:21:15.560> so
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up other bits of the bandwidth so
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bandwidth<01:21:16.280> is<01:21:16.400> being<01:21:16.679> take<01:21:16.960> up<01:21:17.280> right<01:21:17.440> now<01:21:17.639> in
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bandwidth is being take up right now in
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DC because of the the crisis in Gaza and
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the Israelis and and so on um so that
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just<01:21:24.600> means<01:21:25.040> less<01:21:25.520> bandwidth<01:21:26.520> for<01:21:27.360> Ukraine<01:21:28.360> um
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just means less bandwidth for Ukraine um
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and that that I think will impact all
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discussions depending on how long this
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goes<01:21:33.520> on<01:21:34.520> right<01:21:35.120> um<01:21:35.360> and<01:21:35.480> I<01:21:35.600> suspect<01:21:35.880> it<01:21:36.000> will
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goes on right um and I suspect it will
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go<01:21:36.320> on<01:21:36.440> for<01:21:36.679> quite<01:21:36.920> some
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go on for quite some
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time<01:21:39.199> yeah<01:21:39.320> I<01:21:39.400> think<01:21:39.520> I'll<01:21:39.679> leave<01:21:39.880> it
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there you have G any last comments
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before we turn it over to Steve
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Spiegel<01:21:49.159> yeah<01:21:49.520> uh<01:21:49.679> just<01:21:50.040> very<01:21:50.840> uh<01:21:51.239> briefly<01:21:51.800> I
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Spiegel yeah uh just very uh briefly I
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don't<01:21:52.199> really<01:21:52.440> think<01:21:52.960> that<01:21:53.520> um<01:21:54.159> Russia<01:21:55.080> uh
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don't really think that um Russia uh
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again<01:21:56.320> Russia<01:21:56.679> cares<01:21:57.080> about<01:21:57.320> this<01:21:57.520> kind<01:21:57.679> of
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again Russia cares about this kind of
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neutrality<01:21:58.600> of<01:21:59.040> of<01:21:59.239> Israel<01:21:59.760> in<01:21:59.960> Ukraine<01:22:00.800> for<01:22:01.000> a
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neutrality of of Israel in Ukraine for a
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variety<01:22:01.639> of<01:22:01.840> reasons<01:22:02.239> and<01:22:02.440> I'm<01:22:02.600> not<01:22:02.800> going<01:22:03.239> to
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variety of reasons and I'm not going to
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to<01:22:03.719> die<01:22:03.960> deep<01:22:04.320> into<01:22:04.679> that<01:22:05.560> but<01:22:06.000> uh<01:22:06.120> it's
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to die deep into that but uh it's
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interesting<01:22:06.760> how<01:22:06.960> Russia<01:22:07.400> is<01:22:07.639> actually
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interesting how Russia is actually
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supporting<01:22:08.679> Hamas<01:22:09.679> uh<01:22:10.000> quite<01:22:10.400> openly<01:22:11.320> and<01:22:11.480> for
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supporting Hamas uh quite openly and for
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me that's a different story rather than
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supporting<01:22:14.320> Palestinian<01:22:15.120> civilians<01:22:15.800> or
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supporting Palestinian civilians or
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Palestine<01:22:16.840> itself<01:22:17.400> because<01:22:17.719> if<01:22:17.840> you<01:22:18.080> have<01:22:18.679> a
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Palestine itself because if you have a
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terror<01:22:19.280> attack<01:22:19.639> or<01:22:19.800> a<01:22:19.960> terror<01:22:20.239> organization
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terror attack or a terror organization
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then<01:22:21.159> you<01:22:21.400> probably<01:22:21.840> have<01:22:22.000> to<01:22:22.159> be<01:22:22.360> very<01:22:22.760> clear
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then you probably have to be very clear
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about that which does not of course mean
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that<01:22:25.520> you<01:22:25.639> can<01:22:26.080> flatten<01:22:26.639> the<01:22:26.840> territory<01:22:27.440> with
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that you can flatten the territory with
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civilians<01:22:28.239> who<01:22:28.400> live<01:22:28.679> now<01:22:29.000> in<01:22:29.199> in<01:22:29.400> Gaza<01:22:29.719> and
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civilians who live now in in Gaza and
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here<01:22:30.120> I<01:22:30.280> agree<01:22:30.600> totally<01:22:31.000> with<01:22:31.199> Dr<01:22:31.480> Haler<01:22:32.120> and
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here I agree totally with Dr Haler and
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on India I think we haven't mentioned
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India<01:22:34.800> because<01:22:35.080> it's<01:22:35.320> not<01:22:35.960> the<01:22:36.120> Middle<01:22:36.600> East
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India because it's not the Middle East
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per<01:22:37.400> se<01:22:37.760> but<01:22:37.960> rather<01:22:38.320> the<01:22:38.520> the<01:22:38.760> South<01:22:39.440> so<01:22:39.719> we
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per se but rather the the South so we
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might<01:22:40.239> have<01:22:40.400> another<01:22:40.800> panel<01:22:41.320> on<01:22:41.600> indent
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might have another panel on indent
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impacts<01:22:42.520> of<01:22:42.679> the<01:22:42.800> war<01:22:43.040> for<01:22:43.320> it<01:22:43.520> but<01:22:43.679> not
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impacts of the war for it but not
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necessarily<01:22:44.600> now<01:22:45.239> thank<01:22:45.600> you<01:22:46.600> great<01:22:47.000> thank
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necessarily now thank you great thank
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you so much and I just want to thank all
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three of you so much for sharing your
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expertise<01:22:51.639> and<01:22:51.920> perspectives<01:22:52.600> with<01:22:52.760> us<01:22:52.960> and
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expertise and perspectives with us and
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thank you to the uh those of you who are
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watching<01:22:55.840> and<01:22:56.000> submitted<01:22:56.440> your<01:22:56.679> questions<01:22:57.360> uh
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watching and submitted your questions uh
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we really appreciate it um and I'm going
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to turn it over to Dr
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Spiel<01:23:03.320> uh<01:23:03.560> thank<01:23:03.760> you<01:23:04.080> m<01:23:04.400> so<01:23:04.840> much<01:23:05.840> Dr
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Spiel uh thank you m so much Dr
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Matthews
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uh I I just want to thank all of you
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this is uh a very very important session
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more than I think uh many people might
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realize<01:23:19.800> because<01:23:20.800> uh<01:23:21.600> this<01:23:21.719> is<01:23:21.880> the<01:23:22.000> first
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realize because uh this is the first
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discussion I've heard uh so far uh in
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talking about the implications of what's
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been happening the last couple of weeks
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uh uh for the future and and we
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Americans have to think about uh the
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entire uh uh uh setting whether one
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agrees or not with what uh issues were
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raised or specific statements were M
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were uh provided Ed
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uh it's extremely important uh
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presentation and I just can't thank the
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three of you uh uh enough uh uh it's not
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easy to to talk about these kinds of
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issues but uh to indicate the changes in
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the uh in the world as a result of
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particular cases is is is always very
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important but almost never provided but
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that's<01:24:21.679> what<01:24:21.800> a<01:24:21.920> universal<01:24:22.600> is<01:24:22.760> four<01:24:23.480> and<01:24:23.639> we
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that's what a universal is four and we
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want to thank the three of you uh so
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much uh and so appreciate I'd also like
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to thank of course our team uh for
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creating this opportunity for us to talk
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today Manny Jad salame mahajer Emily uh
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pistol<01:24:40.719> and<01:24:41.360> Laura<01:24:41.920> Lee
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um I work with Emily every day but I
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never say your last name so um I
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we're we're going to go back in a way or
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set in in the in the weeks that follow
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to the situation that everyone is
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talking about but I hope that it will be
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in the context of what has been
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discussed today so discussion number one
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is part of our seed Roundtable series
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Israel pales Palestinian uh crisis so I
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think there's a lot more to it uh uh
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than that and
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our picture has been uh has suggested
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that this morning but we have Aaron
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David<01:25:28.360> Miller<01:25:29.360> from<01:25:29.560> caring<01:25:29.960> endowment<01:25:30.560> who
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David Miller from caring endowment who
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I'm sure all practically all of you
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wherever you are have seen him on TV
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lately and Robin Wright of the wooder
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Wilson Center and usip both are very
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close friends um uh of our organization
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of CED and Robin of course has has as
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usual been uh writing away uh our second
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discussion is uh on um uh November uh uh
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1st uh it's got and the next two have an
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Israeli and a Palestinian we have
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Muhammad dagma uh of arak news from
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Palestine and SAR Perry uh an extremely
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important uh reporter from mot acon note
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from Israel and then on November
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7th uh we have um Hiba husseini of
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husseini and husseini law uh
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organization Palestine and Ryan snap
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Center for strategic dialogue in Israel
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both of them are welln both of them
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trying to talk about what might be what
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might happen What could happen uh in uh
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Israeli Palestinian changes and
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improvements of course this was
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before uh uh to to weeks ago but um uh
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we uh uh we uh look forward to what will
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be a very interesting session perhaps
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move us in a different direction by then
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we can only pray so thank you for
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joining us today and as you see uh
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there's<01:27:09.760> all<01:27:10.040> sorts<01:27:10.560> of<01:27:11.159> uh<01:27:12.400> uh<01:27:13.520> suggestions
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there's all sorts of uh uh suggestions
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and<01:27:15.080> information<01:27:16.080> uh<01:27:16.320> in<01:27:16.520> in<01:27:16.639> front<01:27:16.840> of<01:27:17.040> you
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and information uh in in front of you
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and let me say again thank you thank you
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thank you to uh everyone who to the four
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of you who presented this very important
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session and we look forward uh to
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everyone uh to our the next three
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sessions<01:27:32.440> and<01:27:32.679> more<01:27:33.600> that<01:27:33.760> will<01:27:33.960> be<01:27:34.119> coming
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sessions and more that will be coming
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for<01:27:34.760> you<01:27:35.679> uh<01:27:36.159> from<01:27:36.760> uh<01:27:36.920> UCLA's<01:27:37.760> CED<01:27:38.719> thank<01:27:38.920> you
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for you uh from uh UCLA's CED thank you
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all
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byebye